Can’t wait for the religious-right-wing to go nuts over this…
DAILYMAIL – Human eggs and sperm have been grown in the laboratory in research which could change the face of parenthood.
It paves the way for a cure for infertility and could help those left sterile by cancer treatment to have children who are biologically their own.
But it raises a number of moral and ethical concerns. These include the possibility of children being born through entirely artificial means, and men and women being sidelined from the process of making babies.
#80 — I finished a project and didn’t want to jump into another one just yet so I thought I would entertain myself with Alfie.
I am going to answer your question with a question, Alfie. Are you always this gullible?
#26
> The birth defect “happened” the Works
> of God were made manifest, not
> in the birth defect, but in
> the healing of the defect.
You are making two statements here. The first, that the defect “just happened”, implies that it happened outside of the control or knowledge of your deity. If your deity was unaware that said child would be born blind, then clearly it cannot be omniscient. If your deity was unable to prevent said defect from happening, then it is not omniscient. If it deliberately allowed the defect to happen even though it was aware it would happen and was able to prevent it, then your deity is malicious; doubly so if the child is never healed.
The second statement implies that your deity allowed the defect to happen so that it could heal the child. What about the billions of children that have been born with defects which were never healed?
#28
> Birth Defects are a consequence of the Fall…
Firstly, this argues against the above mentioned quote. By this implication your are saying that birth defects are punishment whereas earlier you were implying they “just happen”. Second, your malicious deity is punishing countless generations of humans for a single “mistake” made by two humans thousands of years ago. By this logic, we should punish every decedent of a person that committed any crime in the past. If your grandfather stole a watch, you, your children, your children’s children and so on should all be punished, generation after generation, eon after eon until the end of time.
Regarding the original post, people should not be worried about Frankensteins being created. One only needs to spend a little time analyzing current birth defects to understand that our current methods are less than perfect. Rather, people should be more worried about the care of said human. I would much rather have a child created by scientists for two people that truly want to have children than the millions of children born by accident from careless or uncaring parents.
Every little sperm is sacred.
#81 He’s completely pwnable. When he loses his pseudo intellectual shtick and starts pisshapping on everyone then he’s bunged. Dr Dodd is perpetually obsessed with “deviant homosexual” sex so he’s the right wing equivalent of an emo. About as interesting as Paris Hilton’s chest.
#82 >The birth defect “happened” the Works
> of God were made manifest, not
> in the birth defect, but in
> the healing of the defect.
You are making two statements here. The first, that the defect “just happened”, implies that it happened outside of the control or knowledge of your deity.
Incorrect…God knows all things…He is Sovereign, and by His “continuous agency, maintains in existence all things…together with all their properties and powers.”-Lectures in Systematic Theology, Theissen, p. 120.
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. (Col 1:17 KJV)
The Theory of Concurrence As in the movie “The Matrix”, both free will and events can occur independently of God’s decretive will, “God concurs in all operations of both matter and mind.”-ibid, p. 121.
It’s the consistent theme of scripture we were cast out of paradise because of our sin…and are, to a large extent, “on our own.”
As for God’s omniscience, He knew all things even before He created…in fact, before creation…all who would have used their free will to choose life with Him if their sin nature and expulsion didn’t prevent it, to be saved… they are “predestined unto salvation”:
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
(Rom 8:29-31 KJV)
Not one of God’s elect is lost because of the devil’s work:
8 …For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. (1Jo 3:8 KJV)
Jesus blamed this birth defect, not on God, but on God’s “concurrence”, He didn’t cause it, but He used it to glorify His name:
KJV John 9:1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
6 When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay,
7 And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.
(Joh 9:1-7 KJV)
“Neither this man sinned, nor his parents,” the birth defect was not because of sin…But God used this “circumstance” to reveal the identity of Christ.
In the Jewish Talmud “there is a tradition that the spittle of the first-born son of a father has healing power.”-Abraham Cohen, Everyman’s Talmud, (Schocken Books, New York, 1995), p.253.
Hence in John 9:5 Christ declares He is the Light of the World and then proves He is the only begotten Son of the Father by making the blind man see using His spittle. The man was born blind (Jn 9:3), as only God can reverse this, the miracle proved Jesus was of God.
BIRTH DEFECTS are YOUR fault, and that of those like you, who harden your neck and heart and refuse to repent and believe in Jesus. If the entire world would repent, and believe, the Kingdom of God would come, and His will be done, on earth as it is in heaven…
Then, as its His will Birth defects not be, they wouldn’t exist.
#83 – Unfortunately most of them get swallowed.
#84 Only a very Queer Boy would find Paris Hilton’s chest uninteresting.
Try to keep up.
There are three kinds of people in the world: those who make things happen, those who watch things happen—and people like you, who wonder what happened.
#84-Queer Boy
Are you still playing in that little band of yours? What was it… Butch McDick and the Sodomites.
LOL Yup, pwned.
Let’s take this is stages starting with this fundamental premise from #85:
> God knows all things
> …He knew all things even before He created
“All” means that your deity knows the exact location and path of every particle of matter from the outset of the universe until the end of the universe. It knows how and when every individual atom (and every proton, quark, bozon etc) will interact to form molecules, then cells, then organisms and so on throughout the lifetime of the universe. Is that correct?
#89, qb,
Gee, those two really got you, LOL. They dragged your sorry ass almost down to their level. Hahahaha.
I couldn’t help but notice though, how closet gays are the most vocal and obnoxious about homosexuals. But, I could be wrong here. Dr. Dudd and Alphie could be openly gay. That WOULD explain a few things but still, unfortunately, leave the mental deranged part unexplained.