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# 1 DJ said, on October 28th, 2009 at 4:44 pm

What makes you think that the religious right wouldn’t like this… they’re pro-life, aren’t they? This way they can have all the life they want without that whole sinful sex thing being involved.

# 2 DJ said, on October 28th, 2009 at 4:46 pm

What makes you think that the religious right wouldn’t like this? They’re pro-life, aren’t they? This way they can have all the life they want without that whole sinful sex thing being involved.

# 3 Angel H. Wong said, on October 28th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

#1,

The women from the religious Right will be delighted, finally they will be able to bear children without the need to commit the sin of Fornication.

The men… Will probably agree but only because of their wives.

# 4 right said, on October 28th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

“The men… Will probably agree but only because of their wives.”

Har. I would give anything to see Alfred1’s husband.

# 5 Animby said, on October 28th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

The good news is this will allow for choosing traits more easily. Hair color, eye color, height, weight,fanaticism. Alfie should love it! The Aryan dream…

# 6 Ah_Yea said, on October 28th, 2009 at 5:41 pm

I thought the feministas would like this because they get a kid to indoctrinate, no man involved (and therefore none of that icky touch thing), and they get to keep their thin thighs.

# 7 chuck said, on October 28th, 2009 at 5:43 pm

Wow they can make anything out of stem cells!
If only they could turn stem cells into oil – then we’d have a winner!

# 8 sargasso said, on October 28th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

The ethical conundrum of human reproductive experimentation has been well explored by Hollywood on a number of occasions (excluding “Twins”). I recommend renting, “Gattaca”.

# 9 Dr Dodd said, on October 28th, 2009 at 5:48 pm

Wonder when they will get around to naming one Kahn and what will invite his wrath?

I betting it will be because he gets stuck living with two flaming militant homosexuals.

Who could blame him? Kahn! Kahn!

# 10 Angel H. Wong said, on October 28th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

#9, Dodd

“I betting it will be because he gets stuck living with two flaming militant homosexuals.”

The voice of experience eh?

# 11 pcsmith said, on October 28th, 2009 at 6:18 pm

Zager and Evans were off by an exponential time frame. They didn’t think this would happen until the year 6565.

# 12 Dr Dodd said, on October 28th, 2009 at 6:25 pm

#10-Angel H. Wong

Looks like I hit a nerve, Angel.

You know as well as I where this Frankenstein technology will lead. Nothing good ever comes from perverted science.

# 13 Thomas said, on October 28th, 2009 at 6:59 pm

I’m curious as to what the religious fanatics think about this. I’m guessing their only resource is claim that every sperm is sacred. Further, suppose a scientist fertilizes an egg and then destroys it. Is that abortion? Is that murder? It’s as if the whole claim that life begins at conception is a bunch of baloney.

# 14 bill said, on October 28th, 2009 at 7:14 pm

Save your old jockstrap! don’t ever wash it!!!

YOU COULD SAVE the WHOLE HUMAN RACE!!!

# 15 Special Ed said, on October 28th, 2009 at 7:41 pm

Wow, no baby batter?

# 16 Special Ed said, on October 28th, 2009 at 7:47 pm

#4 said, “Har. I would give anything to see Alfred1’s husband.”

Here it is!

# 17 Luc said, on October 28th, 2009 at 7:49 pm

Religious people will obviously hate it because it’s not the way that “God” intended.

They may actually have a point. This shit is going to be a hell of a can of worms.

# 18 davo, the uninformed australian said, on October 28th, 2009 at 8:01 pm

this is going to get abused by the kind of people we dont want breeding, and its going to result in the human race devolving into some horrible inbred mutant

# 19 pedro said, on October 29th, 2009 at 12:36 am

And I can’t wait for the homosexuals for thanking god for this discovery. Remember god loves them.

#4 Wouldn’t you, Mustard?

# 20 Cursor_ said, on October 29th, 2009 at 12:43 am

A little pic of what humans will look like with these techniques and some time.

They aren’t extraterrestrials. They are extratemporals.

Cursor_

# 21 Alfred1 said, on October 29th, 2009 at 3:15 am

As the resident member of the religious right…I can’t think of any objections…per se.

If these humans are aborted, or become objects of hideous Frankenstein experiments, that’s different.

We should experiment on liberal leftist loons first…let them suffer the consequence of their own immorality…not innocent babies.

# 22 Alfred1 said, on October 29th, 2009 at 3:22 am

#16 You lie!…that’s your picture.

# 23 Dr Dodd said, on October 29th, 2009 at 3:34 am

#21-Alfred1

As a proud member of the Christian right… I can think of many objections not the least of which is the inability of people to handle the job of God.

We can’t handle the problems we have now, why on earth unleash this kind of power to unscrupulous scientists around the world to experiment and transform people into whatever their freakish minds can conceive?

# 24 Alfred1 said, on October 29th, 2009 at 3:52 am

I think you misread it…there is scientific skepticism female stem cells can make male sperm…

I would object to mass production of effeminate leftists also…although special ed would be pleased…more on the Daisy chain.

# 25 Alfred1 said, on October 29th, 2009 at 3:54 am

#24 was to #18….

And your comment could have been misconstrued as racist:

the kind of people we dont want breeding

I interpret you are referring to birth defects, not race.

# 26 Alfred1 said, on October 29th, 2009 at 4:04 am

As a proud member of the Christian right… I can think of many objections not the least of which is the inability of people to handle the job of God.

We can’t handle the problems we have now, why on earth unleash this kind of power to unscrupulous scientists around the world to experiment and transform people into whatever their freakish minds can conceive?

#23 You would have to list the objections, they aren’t apparent to me.

I don’t understand “inability of people to handle the job of God”, are you saying infertility is an act of God?

It then would follow birth defects are an act of God.

I do not believe God superintends every birth…only special ones…King David…John the Baptist…Jesus…

KJV John 9:1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
(Joh 9:1-3 KJV)

The birth defect “happened”, the Works of God were made manifest, not in the birth defect, but in the healing of the defect.

As for your other objection…don’t buy into the over population myth…farmers are paid to not grow food…and natural resources are plentyful…2/3rds of the earth, under the ocean, make that axiomatic…and there is still much on land we can exploit…

Oil made 6 billion + population possible…and if we can reverse the lunacy of the left in denying us this organic biodegradable resource, that is plentiful, we the earth could easily sustain billions more…in greater luxury than today.

Its up to our politicians and religious leaders to formulate the ethics that must be followed…so freakish experiments don’t occur.

This could be a boon to childless couples who can’t reproduce any other way…

As a conservative lover of personal freedom…I see no reason to deny them this.

I would strongly object to any experimentation on the children that result from this process…or any raising them up without parents.

# 27 Dr Dodd said, on October 29th, 2009 at 4:10 am

#24-Alfred1

I realize that this type of experimentation is in the infancy stage and what you say is true. It’s just that the depravity of man can’t be trusted with this kind of science once it reaches maturity.

Even if you could say scientist would never corrupt this type of technology we can’t forget the politicians or dictators who will certainly look to take advantage.

Scientist will do most anything at the business end of a gun.

# 28 Alfred1 said, on October 29th, 2009 at 4:20 am

#23 BYZ John 9:3 Ἀπεκρίθη Ἰησοῦς, Οὔτε οὗτος ἥμαρτεν οὔτε οἱ γονεῖς αὐτοῦ· ἀλλ᾽ ἵνα φανερωθῇ τὰ ἔργα τοῦ θεοῦ ἐν αὐτῷ. (Joh 9:3 BYZ)

John 9:3

[But that the works of God should be made manifest in him] [all' (grk 235) hina (grk 2443) faneroothee (grk 5319) ta (grk 3588) erga (grk 2041) tou (grk 3588) Theou (grk 2316) en (grk 1722) autoo (grk 846)]. Jesus denies both alternatives, and puts God’s purpose [all' (grk 235) hina (grk 2443) with first aorist subjunctive of fanerooo (grk 5319)] as the true solution. It is sometimes true that disease is the result of personal sin as in the man in and parents can hand on the effects of sin to the third and fourth generations, but there are cases free from blame like this. There is comfort for many sufferers in the words of Jesus here.
(from Robertson’s Word Pictures in the New Testament)

God permitted it to happen…in order that His Work be manifest in the healing of his blindness…

Birth Defects are a consequence of the Fall…

The only one to blame for such, is man himself…his refusal to repent and believe in Jesus so God’s Kingdom would come, and heal everyone.

# 29 Dr Dodd said, on October 29th, 2009 at 4:21 am

#26-Alfred1-Its up to our politicians and religious leaders to formulate the ethics that must be followed…so freakish experiments don’t occur.

You have seen our politicians haven’t you? Most couldn’t find an ethic unless it’s tattooed on the chest of a poll dancer.

# 30 Alfred1 said, on October 29th, 2009 at 4:28 am

#27 I agree scientists are often immoral.

But what you say can be applied to all technology…

We can only vote for politicians who will legislate this be done ethically.

Unfortunately for us…society as a whole is becoming unethical…

But there is Judgment Day to handle that.

It is possible God will step in, if genetic research results in eternal life:

22 And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”
23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken.
24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life
(Gen 3:22-24 NIV)

So I applause their advances…because they may be hastening the day of the LORD.

# 31 Alfred1 said, on October 29th, 2009 at 4:32 am

#29 I agree the present crop of politicians do not instill confidence…

# 32 The DON said, on October 29th, 2009 at 4:33 am

I object most strongly to the use of this technology!

I we allow this to occur, then we eliminate the criteria for the Darwin award.

# 33 Thinker said, on October 29th, 2009 at 4:42 am

I’m reminded of the end of ‘The Forever War’ where the human race was clones. Males and females from the same single person…

# 34 davo, the uninformed australian said, on October 29th, 2009 at 4:48 am

#24
yes i was talking about people with nasty genetic disorders… them and fat people, the fatties cannot be permitted to breed!

# 35 Alfred1 said, on October 29th, 2009 at 4:52 am

#34 Be very afraid…your ditty against fatties has pissed off many here…

They are hoping the Pelosi tax on donuts will save them.

# 36 Dr Dodd said, on October 29th, 2009 at 5:25 am

#30-Alfred1-So I applause their advances…because they may be hastening the day of the LORD.

The day for the Lord will come soon enough, but until then we have to live with the folly of our decisions… freewill and all that.

Until then, it seems genetically tinkering with the unborn is not a good use of our time.

# 37 Alphie's Daddy said, on October 29th, 2009 at 5:26 am

#34, davo,

the fatties cannot be permitted to breed!

Do you realize how deeply you offended Alphie with that remark. Just because Alphie’s belly hangs down to the knees and Alphie couldn’t find it even if some man would want to, …

# 38 a said, on October 29th, 2009 at 6:08 am

As a conservative lover of personal freedom…

….

Its up to our politicians and religious leaders to formulate the ethics that must be followed…

…excellent…

# 39 Sea Lawyer said, on October 29th, 2009 at 6:28 am

Exactly what we need – the ability to pump out even more people.

# 40 Dallas said, on October 29th, 2009 at 6:34 am

#16 OK, that was funny

# 41 Alfred's Mom said, on October 29th, 2009 at 6:59 am

Speaking of birth defects, I had a real dumb one.

# 42 zoltar said, on October 29th, 2009 at 7:13 am

So I guess in 18 years we’ll have our first army of completely genetically engineered soldiers. Enough to fight 20 wars.

# 43 The Aberrant (formerly known as Alex) said, on October 29th, 2009 at 7:41 am

Hey, at least we solved one of the problems postulated in Children of Men. Now if someone can solve Clive Owen, we’re set.

# 44 DixonAgee said, on October 29th, 2009 at 7:54 am

Technically you’d still need a man and a woman from whom to harvest the stem cells. Eggs are still female and sperm are still male. It’s just that the fun part would be missing.

The big question would be is it murder to throw away any human tissue considering the potential to convert it to stem cells and therefore human life?

# 45 Alfred1 said, on October 29th, 2009 at 8:42 am

#37 & 41 are the product of anal stem cells, from the same sex…Mr. Fusion.

# 46 Alfred1 said, on October 29th, 2009 at 8:54 am

#44 Perhaps you are trying to be satirical…but your “big question” appears inane to me.

# 47 Named said, on October 29th, 2009 at 8:56 am

Good Jebus, would someone please take AlfredENewman and Dr. Dudd and make sure to sterilize them? There is nothing like two idiots quoting the Magic Man as a basis for reality…

# 48 Alfred1 said, on October 29th, 2009 at 9:06 am

#47 You Nazis love sterilization…casual readers should realize what you are.

# 49 Dr Dodd said, on October 29th, 2009 at 9:10 am

#47-Named-There is nothing like two idiots quoting the Magic Man as a basis for reality…

So what is your take on this subject? Please enlighten us idiots to the answer as you see it.

# 50 Alfred1 said, on October 29th, 2009 at 9:14 am

#49 I long ago gave up trying to reason with Named the Nazi…or the transvestite Mr. Fusion who posts as Alfred’s Mom etc…both are deranged…special ed is right there with them, from the same anal stem cell pool…

They always post offensive remarks, never minding their own business…for two reasons:

1)no mind
2)no business.

# 51 Alfred1 said, on October 29th, 2009 at 9:22 am

#49 Ps…a room temperature IQ is common among them…

Their exclusive use of ad homienm…distinguishes them from normal people.

They are trolls.

# 52 Dr Dodd said, on October 29th, 2009 at 9:29 am

#50-51-Alfred1

I was hoping for a real line of thought from Named.

Any fool can resort to simple-minded, uninformed criticism, but to actually contribute something of value is rare… especially from the land of the lost.

# 53 amodedoma said, on October 29th, 2009 at 9:32 am

Damn, isn’t it hard enough to get a little sex these days? Most women are never so sexually active as when they’re trying to get pregnant. If we keep this up sex will end up having but one purpose
– a means through which women manipulate men –
or rather people manipulate each other.

# 54 Alfred1 said, on October 29th, 2009 at 9:34 am

#52 Hope springs eternal…as Mr. Fusion’s many transvestite dresses prove…

You won’t get anything intelligent from Named the Nazi.

# 55 Named said, on October 29th, 2009 at 9:36 am

52 Dr Dodd,

Science is the mythical double edged sword. For “good” or “evil” is all in the application. You cannot stop knowledge, progress or science. Well, I guess you could. All you need to use is religion.

50 AlfredENewman

You mean that’s not your mom posting? Too bad, because she really explains your conditions very well…

# 56 Mr. Fusion said, on October 29th, 2009 at 9:38 am

#50, Alphie,

… or the transvestite Mr. Fusion who posts as Alfred’s Mom

Now THAT is funny.I think only pedro’s goat is funnier. You must be raging jealous that pedro has a goat and you don’t.

# 57 Dr Dodd said, on October 29th, 2009 at 9:40 am

#54-Alfred1

Yeah, we know how disappointing that hope (and change) can be.

# 58 Alfred1 said, on October 29th, 2009 at 9:42 am

#56 Are you retracting your coming out statement?

Norman Bates Mom is about as good as it gets for you….changing the dress isn’t going to help that.

# 59 Mr. Fusion said, on October 29th, 2009 at 9:43 am

Alphie,

Their exclusive use of ad homienm[sp] … distinguishes them from normal people.

Do you even know what an ad hominem is?

# 60 Alfred1 said, on October 29th, 2009 at 9:45 am

#57 A little history might help…

those bozo’s have always acted as they do now, from day one…from my first post…

I did nothing to make them respond to me or fellow believers, as they do…

Observe how they treated you on your first post…you did nothing to deserve their ridicule.

They are trolls in the real sense…

Knowing that will save you time and effort trying to discuss anything with them…they are not willing (or perhaps able) to do that.

peace

# 61 Alfred1 said, on October 29th, 2009 at 9:50 am

#57 While Named the Nazi is just anal…Mr. Fusion loves straw men…he takes anything you say, and twists it into a straw man he is able to defeat…

Often its almost a draw…

And once in a while, he his straw man beats him into a pulp…

But that does not sway him asking inane questions…for his next straw man contrivance.

# 62 Named said, on October 29th, 2009 at 10:01 am

61, AlfredENewman,

Anal… transvestite… same sex…

It seems you have only one thing one your mind. Homosexual sex and it’s lifestyle. It’s obvious why you try to use the bible: you’re ashamed of your true character.

Good thing that you live in California. You can find lots of anonymous homosexuals to play with. God Bless America!

# 63 Alfred1 said, on October 29th, 2009 at 10:03 am

#57 cf #62…see what i mean?

# 64 bac said, on October 29th, 2009 at 10:10 am

The christian god genetically creates personal worshiping slaves that believe they are the special ones and are the center of the universe. It could be said that the christrian god is a good example of not letting scientist play with genetics.

# 65 Alfred1 said, on October 29th, 2009 at 10:14 am

#64 You are certifiable.

# 66 soundwash said, on October 29th, 2009 at 10:25 am

This is NOT good.

As a matter of fact, complete insanity if not stupidity.

Mainstream science continues to willingly use completely false models to explain how the Sun and the Universe works, (which in comparison to the human body, is utterly simple.)

If they cant even get that right, there is no way they understand the dynamics let alone the energy matrix-effects involved in creating Life.

Mammals, -Life, go through infertility cycles for a reason.

-And it is the Sun that regulates it.

Peak infertility happens during solar minimums, and extended minimums produce both extended “die off”, mutation, and evolution of species.

This is also why at this time more than any other, conditions are ripe to produce a f’k up mutation of the lab created H1N1 virus.

There is a flood of energy (cosmic as well as resonant shifted) coming into the solar system, as well as into our planet that will effect all life.

Why do think some people are going bonkers and others haven’t been able to sleep proper..(aside from human initiated effects)

Or that a global infertility spike of almost 50% has been happening that past few decades?

(man-made conspiracies aside)

Both the sun and the moon have a 28 day cycle for which in the case of human females, their cycle is tied to.

Aside from that..there is no way in hell that de-differentiated stem cells will transfer the life experience of proper DNA traits to the embryo.

Your DNA constantly changes over time
according to all the stresses and energy sources you are exposed to through out your life.

example: Living through a famine will change the traits passed on to your to your offspring.

Being exposed to the insane multitude of microwave energy from wifi, bluetooth, GWEN & Cell towers will damage your DNA accordingly and also change the genetic outcome of your child.

The Russians proved this back in the 60’s (EMF effects) -and people like Dr. Robert O Becker rediscovered and proved the fact in the 70’s through 80’s.

(that we are seeing **new** studies that link Cell phones to brain tumours is the biggest f’n joke of the century) everyone has known this since the 60-70’s. its just been suppressed)

A child born of the same two parents at age 20 will have vastly different traits of a child bore by them at age 50.

These scientists are f’n idiots if they think they will produce offspring that isn’t severely damaged.

I see this as only a means to extract profit from parents who obviously should not be replicating in the first place..(and government funding, of course)

The only way this has a chance in hell of working is if they have help from the original Beings that manipulated the original source DNA from a twelve to four letter coded DNA strand used to create us in the first place.

Even then..it’s idiotic. we are about to go through a major evolution over the next 3-5 years that will change not only the earth, but our knowledge of *everything*

We are about to discover just how wrong we got everything..

If they want to grow body parts, fine. But growing humans from uber-scratch and thinking “it’s a good thing-that’ll work” has got to be the most ego-maniacal and idiotic thing I’ve heard in my entire life.

I can just see the ads for this procedure:

“Not only will you be able to finally have your very own genetically similar kids…

-But they will be “Round Up Ready” and immune to every Herbicide and GMO product known to man!”

(and no, i’m not religious in any sense of the concept-in fact, this is a direct result of religion’s ego centric, patriarchal ‘we are unique, special, and gods gift to the universe” delusion.

The only other thing i can see this done for is to grow the perfect, custom made, body part replacement clone program..with fat profits for all..

Go Rent “The Island” -and you will see a “perfect end game” to this line of science..

-s

# 67 Dr Dodd said, on October 29th, 2009 at 10:25 am

#63-Alfred1-see what i mean?

I’m afraid I do… the good news is that it’s now Obama’s fault.

# 68 bac said, on October 29th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

#65 — Just as certifiable as those who quote a book of fiction and believe it to be true.

# 69 Alfred1 said, on October 29th, 2009 at 12:22 pm

#68 Like Obama?

# 70 Alfred1 said, on October 29th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

#66 Very interesting…budget cuts cause your early release?

# 71 bac said, on October 29th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

#69 — You really dislike Obama. He is just another link in a chain of worthless presidents since Bush Sr.

The more you fixate on him the less you will be able to think clearly.

USA has problems but calling Obama a Nazi or any other name is not the solution.

So Alfie, even though you are not making things worse, you are definitely not helping things either.

One might think you get your rocks off coming here quoting from a book about a fairy tale god and calling the current president a Nazi.

# 72 Alfred1 said, on October 29th, 2009 at 1:15 pm

#71 Irrelevant, immaterial and incompetent to what YOU claimed:

Just as certifiable as those who quote a book of fiction and believe it to be true.

Obama is on record as quoting the Bible thus implying what was quoted is true…

If you are consistent, you must claim he is “certifiable.”

If you are inconsistent, then you are rejecting your own premise…refuting your own argument.

Your attempt to evade this fact, by changing the subject to me, is rejected.

Now answer the question.

“Like Obama”?

# 73 Mr. Fusion said, on October 29th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

Alphie,

I did nothing to make them respond to me or fellow believers, as they do…

Observe how they treated you on your first post…you did nothing to deserve their ridicule.

Is Alphie looking for an ally? No one else want to be associated with either Dr. Dudd or Alphie.

# 74 bac said, on October 29th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

#72 — Yes Alfie, Obama is just as certifiable as the rest which also include Bush Jr., Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan, Carter and so on…. In fact , you could say this about every USA president that quoted regularly from the book of the fairy tale god.

But I have only lived so long so I will just stick to the presidents I have witnessed.

I will acknowledge that there are degrees of being certifiable. The Bushes have surpassed Carter in their reverence to the book. It is too early to meter Obama but if he keeps it up, he will be on then same level as the Bushes.

Now, are you going to stop quoting from the book of the fairy tale god and stop calling the current president Nazi so that you can inject some great ideas out onto the public?

# 75 Alfred1 said, on October 29th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

#74 Now you are equivocating…so there is certifiable that is acceptable…and certifiable that is unacceptable…and the only difference between which is which, is your whim.

Fact is, you are irrational…your logic unsound…you make hasty judgments premised upon ad hominem…

Many are those who quote scripture truth, as precisely that truth…some of the most respected thinkers in history, and today, did that often.

You are an unsound thinker whose prejudice against scripture, compels you to make STUPID generalizations about people…who more often than not, are your betters.

# 76 tcc3 said, on October 29th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

Alfred must have been one of those kids who picked a fight and then cried when he got his ass kicked.

# 77 bac said, on October 29th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

#75 — An adult claiming that there is a real life Santa Claus would be declared certifiable. But a parent telling his/her child that there is a Santa Claus is just quaint or a traditionalist. So there are degrees of being certifiable.

There are people who quote from the book of the fairy tale god believing those quotes to be truth and factual and then there are people who quote from the book for moral value. The people of the former are more certifiable than those of the later.

Yes, even great respected thinkers can be to a degree certifiable. Example: John Forbes Nash Jr.

No one is perfect Alfie. A person can be certifiable in one area of their life but be completely rational in another area. I know I am not rational all the time. Hopefully, those who quote from the book of the fairy tale god can admit the same.

# 78 Alfred1 said, on October 29th, 2009 at 4:51 pm

#76 Don’t feel worthless. You can always be used as a horrible example…

Let’s talk again, after your brain transplant.

# 79 Alfred1 said, on October 29th, 2009 at 4:54 pm

#77 Are you always so stupid–or is this one of your better days?

# 80 Named said, on October 29th, 2009 at 5:43 pm

77 bac,

Why are you even bothering with AlfredENewman? He is, in a word, pathetic. Of course, there are many MANY words to use to describe him (pathological, psychotic, demented, homosexual, deviant, irrational, maniacal) but it’s really pointless. It’s like trying to figure out why a rock is so damn stupid. Well… it’s a rock after all. It’s very nature is unintelligible. Unfortunately, a “person” like AlfredENewman is unintelligible. Logic is as foreign to his brain as god is to reality…

What I DID notice is that Dr Dudd gave him some validation and you could sense his excitement that there is another loser out there to support him. Truly a pathetic duo…

# 81 bac said, on October 29th, 2009 at 6:29 pm

#80 — I finished a project and didn’t want to jump into another one just yet so I thought I would entertain myself with Alfie.

I am going to answer your question with a question, Alfie. Are you always this gullible?

# 82 Thomas said, on October 29th, 2009 at 7:17 pm

#26
> The birth defect “happened” the Works
> of God were made manifest, not
> in the birth defect, but in
> the healing of the defect.

You are making two statements here. The first, that the defect “just happened”, implies that it happened outside of the control or knowledge of your deity. If your deity was unaware that said child would be born blind, then clearly it cannot be omniscient. If your deity was unable to prevent said defect from happening, then it is not omniscient. If it deliberately allowed the defect to happen even though it was aware it would happen and was able to prevent it, then your deity is malicious; doubly so if the child is never healed.

The second statement implies that your deity allowed the defect to happen so that it could heal the child. What about the billions of children that have been born with defects which were never healed?

#28
> Birth Defects are a consequence of the Fall…

Firstly, this argues against the above mentioned quote. By this implication your are saying that birth defects are punishment whereas earlier you were implying they “just happen”. Second, your malicious deity is punishing countless generations of humans for a single “mistake” made by two humans thousands of years ago. By this logic, we should punish every decedent of a person that committed any crime in the past. If your grandfather stole a watch, you, your children, your children’s children and so on should all be punished, generation after generation, eon after eon until the end of time.

Regarding the original post, people should not be worried about Frankensteins being created. One only needs to spend a little time analyzing current birth defects to understand that our current methods are less than perfect. Rather, people should be more worried about the care of said human. I would much rather have a child created by scientists for two people that truly want to have children than the millions of children born by accident from careless or uncaring parents.

# 83 qb said, on October 29th, 2009 at 8:14 pm

Every little sperm is sacred.

# 84 qb said, on October 29th, 2009 at 8:34 pm

#81 He’s completely pwnable. When he loses his pseudo intellectual shtick and starts pisshapping on everyone then he’s bunged. Dr Dodd is perpetually obsessed with “deviant homosexual” sex so he’s the right wing equivalent of an emo. About as interesting as Paris Hilton’s chest.

# 85 Alfred1 said, on October 30th, 2009 at 4:30 am

#82 >The birth defect “happened” the Works
> of God were made manifest, not
> in the birth defect, but in
> the healing of the defect.

You are making two statements here. The first, that the defect “just happened”, implies that it happened outside of the control or knowledge of your deity.

Incorrect…God knows all things…He is Sovereign, and by His “continuous agency, maintains in existence all things…together with all their properties and powers.”-Lectures in Systematic Theology, Theissen, p. 120.

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. (Col 1:17 KJV)

The Theory of Concurrence As in the movie “The Matrix”, both free will and events can occur independently of God’s decretive will, “God concurs in all operations of both matter and mind.”-ibid, p. 121.

It’s the consistent theme of scripture we were cast out of paradise because of our sin…and are, to a large extent, “on our own.”

As for God’s omniscience, He knew all things even before He created…in fact, before creation…all who would have used their free will to choose life with Him if their sin nature and expulsion didn’t prevent it, to be saved… they are “predestined unto salvation”:

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
(Rom 8:29-31 KJV)

Not one of God’s elect is lost because of the devil’s work:

8 …For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. (1Jo 3:8 KJV)

Jesus blamed this birth defect, not on God, but on God’s “concurrence”, He didn’t cause it, but He used it to glorify His name:

KJV John 9:1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
6 When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay,
7 And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.
(Joh 9:1-7 KJV)

“Neither this man sinned, nor his parents,” the birth defect was not because of sin…But God used this “circumstance” to reveal the identity of Christ.

In the Jewish Talmud “there is a tradition that the spittle of the first-born son of a father has healing power.”-Abraham Cohen, Everyman’s Talmud, (Schocken Books, New York, 1995), p.253.

Hence in John 9:5 Christ declares He is the Light of the World and then proves He is the only begotten Son of the Father by making the blind man see using His spittle. The man was born blind (Jn 9:3), as only God can reverse this, the miracle proved Jesus was of God.

BIRTH DEFECTS are YOUR fault, and that of those like you, who harden your neck and heart and refuse to repent and believe in Jesus. If the entire world would repent, and believe, the Kingdom of God would come, and His will be done, on earth as it is in heaven…

Then, as its His will Birth defects not be, they wouldn’t exist.

# 86 Sister Mary Hand Grenade of Quiet Reflection said, on October 30th, 2009 at 4:31 am

#83 – Unfortunately most of them get swallowed.

# 87 Alfred1 said, on October 30th, 2009 at 4:43 am

#84 Only a very Queer Boy would find Paris Hilton’s chest uninteresting.

Try to keep up.

There are three kinds of people in the world: those who make things happen, those who watch things happen—and people like you, who wonder what happened.

# 88 Dr Dodd said, on October 30th, 2009 at 4:52 am

#84-Queer Boy

Are you still playing in that little band of yours? What was it… Butch McDick and the Sodomites.

# 89 qb said, on October 30th, 2009 at 4:58 am

LOL Yup, pwned.

# 90 Thomas said, on October 30th, 2009 at 2:04 pm

Let’s take this is stages starting with this fundamental premise from #85:

> God knows all things
> …He knew all things even before He created

“All” means that your deity knows the exact location and path of every particle of matter from the outset of the universe until the end of the universe. It knows how and when every individual atom (and every proton, quark, bozon etc) will interact to form molecules, then cells, then organisms and so on throughout the lifetime of the universe. Is that correct?

# 91 Ralph, the Bus Driver said, on October 31st, 2009 at 2:35 am

#89, qb,

Gee, those two really got you, LOL. They dragged your sorry ass almost down to their level. Hahahaha.

I couldn’t help but notice though, how closet gays are the most vocal and obnoxious about homosexuals. But, I could be wrong here. Dr. Dudd and Alphie could be openly gay. That WOULD explain a few things but still, unfortunately, leave the mental deranged part unexplained.