Associated Press – July 7, 2007:
After months alone in his cell, Scot Noble Payne finished 20 pages of letters, describing to loved ones the decrepit conditions of the prison where he was serving time for molesting a child. Then Payne used a razor blade to slice two 3-inch gashes in his throat. Guards found his body in the cell’s shower, with the water still running.
Hundreds of pages of documents obtained by The Associated Press through an open-records request show Idaho did little monitoring of out-of-state inmates, despite repeated complaints from prisoners, their families and a prison inspector.
“They cut corners because the bottom line is making money,” said Caylor Rolling, prison program director at Partnership for Safety and Justice in Portland, Ore., a group that promotes prison alternatives.
So what exactly were the problems in the prison?
no substance-abuse treatment, and a complete lack of Idaho-sanctioned anger-management classes and pre-release programs.
inadequate church services, poor food and limited recreation time.
sewage from adjacent cells, poor medical and dental care, and a lack of educational programs.
Yeah, awful stuff, smelly room, no free education, and poor medical attention, sort of like the real world for the poor. Now in comparison, let’s look at prison life in Japan. Here’s a good quote, although I strongly suggest you read the rest here.
The cell I was placed in this time had the window blocked and wreaked of piss. The walls were moldy and the floor surrounding the toilet was too. There were lots of bugs to keep me company. Everything was taken out of the cell except for a filthy mattress. It was explained to me that I would have to sit in the middle of my cell and face my door all day long [from 7:30am-5:00pm]. I was told to keep my hands on my lap and not to move. That was my existence for an entire month! The little bit of rice and soup I had previously received, my daily allotment, was cut in half. If I wanted to use the toilet, I had to wait until the guard gave the signal twice daily. No exercise and 1 x 15minute shower every ten days! I was caught on several occasions exercising in my cell and time was added to my solitary confinement. After about 40 days, I was taken out of solitary and placed back in a factory to work.
I am only the 2nd American to be transferred out of Japan. Apparently, the Japanese prison authorities know that we will receive better treatment in American prisons, so they are making foreigners serve at least 50% of our sentences in Japan before they will agree to let us transfer.
When I arrived at the federal detention center in Los Angeles, I felt like I had died and gone to Disneyland. The difference in the two prison systems is incredible! The treatment I received in the American prison was humane and tolerable. The Japanese system lacks any trace of humanity.
29. I totally agree that our drug laws are nonsense. And let’s not forget the current push for the criminalization of copyright infringement. I predict that copyright infringement prosecutions will be to the 2010s as drug prosecutions were to the 80s. Although, I’m not quite sure that Miami Vice will be as good with Crockett and Tubbs cracking down on grandmas using P2P!
Here’s a real perv… http://tinyurl.com/2pwqnu 😀
#29 – TJG
“…unless you have something resembling a heart.”
Ah, yes. Like those “compassionate conservatives” we no longer hear so much about, eh?
>>So, the he was serving time for molesting a child in the article
>>was just a filler?
That wasn’t in “the article” that this thread is about.
And I agree, if he really “molested” a child (e.g., fingerfucked a little girl), he should do hard time. And if he’s incorrigible, maybe even life. And if America determines that little-girl-finger-fuckers should die, maybe even that.
But to sleaze that sentence in by “outsourcing” prison management to a bunch of profiteers who make a lot of money by torturing prisoners? That’s just fucked up.
34. Where exactly are you getting that this guy was “tortured”?! Read the news account and then read the account of the guy who served a prison term in Japan. Then come back and tell me which guy was really tortured.
Give it up, SN. You’ve got some kind of axe to grind here, and I’m not sure what it is.
Prisoners should be imprisoned for the duration of their sentence, and to the extent possible, be rehabilitated. If they can’t be rehabilitated, then they should stay in jail. If they can be, they’ve paid their debt to society, and should be released.
But to “cheer” when some lunatic jerk-off kills himself with a razor blade (still wondering where the fuck the guy got a razor blade in jail, but hey, this was a “privatized” prison). That’s just sick.
36. “Give it up, SN. You’ve got some kind of axe to grind here, and I’m not sure what it is.”
Why should I give it up?! I’ve not been shown wrong once by anyone and I’ve pointed out how every opinion contrary to mine is wrong.
You ignorantly claimed he was tortured, I called you on it, but you refuse to admit your error. It’s not hard, It’s just a simple, “I was wrong.”
“But to “cheer” when some lunatic jerk-off kills himself with a razor blade…That’s just sick.”
Like I said, the liberals will jeer.
>>Like I said, the liberals will jeer.
And the Aryan Nation/ KKK will cheer. As you said. Welcome to it, dude. I hope you enjoy yourself.
>>I’ve pointed out how every opinion contrary to mine is wrong.
Christ, you’re starting to sound like Dumbya. Are you for real? Or are you just trolling to drum up numbers for your posts? I’m not responding to you anymore, Mister Hatemonger. Stew in your own foul juices.
38. “And the Aryan Nation/ KKK will cheer. As you said. Welcome to it, dude. I hope you enjoy yourself.”
An ad hominem attack and Godwin’s law, those are always sure ways to win an argument!
“Christ, you’re starting to sound like Dumbya.”
Ok, where have I been shown I’m wrong? I’ve shown you were wrong, and you still have not admitted it. Now who really sounds like Bush? They guy who is right or the guy who’s been shown wrong but refuses to admit it?
“Are you for real?”
Let me check, yep.
“Or are you just trolling to drum up numbers for your posts?”
Nope.
“Mister Hatemonger”
Oh now another ad hominem attack. That’s brilliant!
“Stew in your own foul juices.”
As you will yours.
This is as good a time as any to quote the illustrious and sagacious John C. Dvorak: ‘Get a room, you two.’
40. “‘Get a room, you two.’”
I would, but the whole notion of “foul juices” just turns me off. Yech!
Then I assume I’m not liable to run into you over on alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.courtney-love?
The 43-year-old Payne was serving time for lewd and lascivious conduct out of Ada County. Payne was housed in administrative segregation at the time of his death. He was isolated for a December escape from the same facility.
Idaho Department of Corrections
http://tinyurl.com/38v2ew
Prison officials said Payne, who was serving time for aggravated battery and lewd and lascivious conduct, scaled the prison’s fence
A Texas prison patch group
http://tinyurl.com/386fxq
He’s dead now. Who wants to quibble over whether it is lewd and lascivious or molestation.
#39, SN
Ok, where have I been shown I’m wrong? I’ve shown you were wrong, and you still have not admitted it. Now who really sounds like Bush? They guy who is right or the guy who’s been shown wrong but refuses to admit it?
Give it up. The guy was tortured. You do sound like Bush with the denial that torture took place.
He was put in a cell with no human contact. He was not allowed recreation. He was not allowed clean toiletries. His cell was dirty. His whole ordeal was written down in a 20 page letter to his uncle. The Idaho DoC head of Health Care said:
‘The physical environment … would have only enhanced the inmate’s depression that could have been a major contributing factor in his suicide,’ he wrote in a report on Payne’s death.
Stockman said the warden at Dickens ruled ‘based on verbal and physical intimidation’ and that guards showed no concern for the living conditions.
You really are starting to sound like Lauren at his worst.
“You really are starting to sound like Lauren at his worst.”
You say that like it’s a bad thing.
>>I would, but the whole notion of “foul juices” just turns me off. Yech!
Wipe yourself down then.
I don’t think you’ll be able to rub off the stink of your hatemongering though. You make a great Bushie. You a chickenhawk too?
44. “Give it up. The guy was tortured.”
I asked for proof. Where’s the proof?
“He was put in a cell with no human contact. He was not allowed recreation. He was not allowed clean toiletries. His cell was dirty.”
I guess what we have here is a failure to communicate. Those things are in no way torture. Every single prison in the US has solitary confinement. Get used to it. Simply redefining terms to suit your unsupported opinion does not prove you’re right. It only makes you look desperate.
“You really are starting to sound like Lauren at his worst.”
I’ll take that as a compliment. Even when I disagree with Lauren, at least he attempts to explain his position with well thought out arguments.
46. Poor Mister Mustard, born with a brain he cannot use. When faced with opinions different from his, he is unable to explain his point of view in calm or rational manner, so he resorts to childish naming calling. Poor guy. I almost feel sorry for him.
Brazilian prison are worst than that. Here we have 20 people in a cell with the maximum capacity is 2. And the conservation of that cells are terrible. For exemple, the flush dosen’t work. So they have to put socks than fill with the shower water, after that, they need remove the socks and let all that mess go away.
Sorry for my english, I hope you can understand me ^^.
49. “Sorry for my english, I hope you can understand me”
You did great!
>>Poor Mister Mustard, born with a brain he cannot use.
Very articulate defense of your position, SN. You still haven’t explained your support for a “privatized” prison where the guards fuck the prisoners, the warden is forced to “exit” for myriad instances of moral turpitude, and they let prisoners have RAZOR BLADES.
If you think the guy should have been killed, write your congress(wo)man to lobby for the death penalty as the punishment for Lewd And Lascivious Behavior.
Until then, let’s try to adhere to at least the lowest common denominator of American principles, shall we?
And, oh yeah. Wipe yourself down. Those foul juices are getting a little ripe.
51. “Very articulate defense of your position,”
I’ve been articulating my opinion throughout this thread. It is you who resorts to name calling. I merely pointed out a verified fact that you are unable to articulate your opinions or attack my opinions in any logical or reasonable manner.
“You still haven’t explained your support for a “privatized” prison.”
I never supported this prison. I want it to be more like Japan’s prison. Try and go back and read what I’ve been writing. I’m assuming English is not your first language.
“If you think the guy should have been killed.”
Technically he was not killed, he committed suicide. I personally think we do have the right take our own lives.
“Until then, let’s try to adhere to at least the lowest common denominator of American principles, shall we?”
“And, oh yeah. Wipe yourself down. Those foul juices are getting a little ripe.”
Back with the mud slinging. Why do you think putting me down makes your argument better? Let’s say that I claim that 4+4=2. I’m wrong right? However, calling me names does NOT prove I’m wrong. It simply makes you look stupid. Think about it.
And I nearly forgot, you still have not admitted you were wrong. He was not tortured! God, how hard is it to admit even one mistake?
Res ipsa loquitur, SN. You are very wearisome.
And just fyi, it appears that recidivism rates in Japan (horror tales from recently-released Gaijins notwithstanding) aren’t any better than those in the US. Particularly for pervs.
So. Articulate your continuing defense for mental and physical torture of prisoners in light of that information, please.
Say, you weren’t one of the guys at Abu Ghraib, were you? That Lindy England is one ugly fugly bitch.
53. “And just fyi, it appears that recidivism rates in Japan (horror tales from recently-released Gaijins notwithstanding) aren’t any better than those in the US. Particularly for pervs.
So. Articulate your continuing defense for mental and physical torture of prisoners in light of that information, please.”
If you show me proof the recidivism rate for Japan and the US are close to the same and I’ll openly admit I was wrong. I’d even do it on my knees. I’ll take a picture and post in on the blog. Promise!
(Now admit it, isn’t it more fun to actually make arguments than to simply call names! And it’s nice to know that you are able to use that brain of yours!)
OK, SN, how about this for starters:
25% recidivism for pervs in Japan
“But she agrees that in light of the 25 percent recidivism rate in Japan and out of concern for public safety, “it is necessary to watch [offenders].””
http://tinyurl.com/6e5cq
versus 3-13% for pervs in the USA:
“Sex offenders have a relatively low recidivism rate in the first years after prison release. The results of studies seem to vary. On average, studies appear to indicate that sex offenders have between a 3 and 13% chance of committing a new sex offense.”
http://tinyurl.com/2u9jbj
Maybe you don’t like my citations. tfb. I really don’t have time to do a term paper on this. In any case, there is NO evidence that torturing prisoners is any more effective (and is usually much LESS effective) than counseling, therapy, and education.
Of course, if you just like beating up on people, there’s always neonazis or the KKK.
OK, SN. Let’s agree that most perps may be likely to commit another crime.
We’re talking about pervs here, so please provide some evidence that abusing them makes them less likely to commit another pervo crime. Or that abusing ANYONE makes them less likely to commit another crime. I’m sure that you and I can both dig up citations that show somewhere between 0% and 100% of incarcerated prisoners will go on to be incarcerated again.
So. Just what is it about abusing them, torturing them, and giving them the means to take their own lives that appeals to you so much? It’s certainly not evidence-based.
Are you SURE you weren’t at Abu Ghraib? You seem hell-bent on on promoting torture and abuse. What up with that??
57. “Let’s agree that most perps may be likely to commit another crime.”
42% is not most. In Japan most do not commit another crime.
“We’re talking about pervs here”
No you are talking about pervs, while I’m talking about the general prison population.
“So. Just what is it about abusing them, torturing them, and giving them the means to take their own lives that appeals to you so much? It’s certainly not evidence-based.”
I already showed you the evidence. 67.5% compared to 42%.
“Are you SURE you weren’t at Abu Ghraib?”
I’ll check my driver’s license and get back with you on that.
OK then, SN. You should run for president. If you like waterboarding, psychological terror, physical abuse, and like that, probably all the people who still think Dumbya’s regime is a success (there must be SOME of them, right) will vote for you.
And while were on the efficacy schtick, why don’t we just kill everyone who gets sentenced to jail? That would ensure a 0.00% recidivism rate!
You’re getting tiresome again. I think you just enjoy the idea of torture.
59. “You should run for president.”
Ok?!
“And while were on the efficacy schtick, why don’t we just kill everyone who gets sentenced to jail? That would ensure a 0.00% recidivism rate!”
That’s not my argument, but if that’s what you want, go for it.
“You’re getting tiresome again.”
I’m getting tiresome? I’ve proven you wrong time and time again but you dogmatically refuse to admit it. And I’ve put up with your pointless and sad ad hominem attacks. If anyone should be tired it’s me. But I finally got you to make solid arguments, so for that I’m glad.
“I think you just enjoy the idea of torture.”
And I’ll put that tidbit where I put everything else you think.
>>I’ve proven you wrong time and time again
OK, SN. Todo está bien chévere. Enjoy your torture world.