A senior French politician, now a minister in President Nicolas Sarkozy’s government, suggests that U.S. President George W. Bush might have been behind the September 11, 2001 attacks.
The www.ReOpen911.info website, which promotes September 11 conspiracy theories, has posted a video clip of French Housing Minister Christine Boutin appearing to question that Osama bin Laden’s al Qaeda group orchestrated the attacks.
Liberation newspaper on Saturday quoted Boutin’s spokesman Christian Dupont as saying that she had not wanted to appear pro or anti-Bush at a time when Sarkozy was being branded a “U.S. poodle” after meeting the president in Washington.
Tee hee.
64–Manhattan project was riddled with soviet spies?
The cover on that secret got pretty much blown away at Hiroshima?–ie, limited time coverage. But overall, yes a conspiracy kept reasonable secret for a few years.
Actually , not a bad effort. Congrats. Here’s a better one—germ theory.
Here are a few others who question 9/11.
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
Re #63 You want a laundry list?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories
64. “64–Manhattan project was riddled with soviet spies?”
Never said that. I was referiing to the post that it is impossible for the govt to keep secrets. So laughable on the face of it, its what the government does best.
67–No. I am saying the Manhattan Project was riddled with spies==contra to the idea it was a well held secret. And that does put me in mind of a key characteristic of the conspiracy theories==they aren’t about keeping secret something in the national interest, they are about “covering up” something that should be public knowledge. Like the moonshot. Real “evidence” there that it did not happen.
Exactly, bobbo. Using that one exceptional, patriotic enterprise, from the technological Stone Age, to butress modern flake conspiracy “theory” is pathetic. And if the spies of that time had access to even a tiny fraction of the surveillance and comm tech in use today, it would’ve been as utterly impossible to keep it a secret as it is to keep any of these laughable “conspiracies” a secret today.
It’s fitting that mark should chip in to this discussion, making a totally invalid analogy between fringe conspiracy fantasies and a patriotic scientific endeavor of the pre-technological past. The kind of people who, like he, believe that eyewitness claims – second- and third-hand ones at that – amount to more than a bucket of warm spit, have no problem accepting as Gospel propositions that make experts in the field bust their guts laughing about.
If everyone learned in school just a tiny few of the most basic laws of logic and probability, the only people left claiming belief in ETs or God or impossible whack-job conspiracies would be the certifiably insane.
There’s a common thread, as I’ve mentioned before, in believing in any ludicrous, effectively impossible phenomena, beit global domination conspiracies, astrology, alien visitation, ESP, Bigfoot, God, the Easter Bunny; believers in all of these absurdities are – for reasons of scientific illiteracy and blind ignorance, pathological gullibility – or one or another form of mental illness – incapable of grasping the most basic rudiments of probability, epistemology and psychology, whilst egotistically imagining their childlike thought processes to equal and even exceed the combined knowledge and rationality of the scientific community. “What do we need science for? All those scientists are wrong anyway, since we’re right.” They simply cannot fathom that their crude, uninformed and utterly inaccurate impressions of what constitutes evidence, proof and knowledge are not scientific and thereby not even remotely valid.
Pope warned about the danger of inadequate knowledge centuries ago. These are people who’ve never heard of him, let alone what he said or how it applies specifically to their know-it-alls-who-know-nothing kind.
It’s funny, but in another way, it’s actually quite sad. Until these fools learn something, look for more of the same shit that’s been holding humanity back for centuries.
67, 68,
A very good example of a large secret is what goes on at Groom Lake (Area 51). The government flies people in and out of there constantly yet nobody talks about what they do there.
Maybe Rosie should go to France. Sounds like she would be among other nut cases who believe in junk science and conspiracy plots.
They probably still believe the world is flat too!
69–Quite a lyrical review of the situation. I could not do as well. It goes to what I call the “Parrot Syndrome.” If you don’t pay attention, you can think the parrot is intelligent because it is talking to you—using real words. But, its just a parrot. I get the same recognition when talking to these scientific illiterate types. They’ll say something just bonkers, and I know I’m talking to a parrot. Freaky. Its starting to unnerve me. I need to let it go.
70–Isn’t that just an adjunct to the testing of new aircraft at Edwards? If not, Alien Biopsy’s is so far off the chart to just be a cultural artifact of everyone making fun of the loonies?
71–Yea, I saw her say that “Steel doesn’t burn” so building No 5 was a controlled demolition. Evidently Charlie Sheen thinks so too? When people believe things that CAN be disproved, its no wonder they can’t be convinced to be rational in view of the evident attractions of religion that cant be “proven” untrue, except logically, and by common sense, and by a desire for autonomy.
72,
I am not saying the government is hding UFOs out there, but we don’t knnow anything about what is there. I think it’s just experimental aircraft myself, but the point is that the facility is huge, employs a lot of people, and has complete secrecy that it has maintained for decades under intense scrutiny.
#59 – You as a product of the system believe everything you were conditioned to believe and as a result provide a reflexive response.
But YOU somehow become enlightened…
Get bent…
#74 Your skepticism is understandable. I request that you view at least one of the videos to become “enlightened”.
How did the towers fall faster than free-fall? It would be impossible for a pancake collapse to occur at free-fall speed. Why were there squibs in many of the pictures of the falling towers. Where did the white hot molten steal we all witness on television originate? The steel supports below the impact points were not sufficiently weak to buckle under the weight of the upper sections of the towers, the collapse could not have continued beyond a certain point.
Why haven’t we seen video of the plane that struck the pentagon?
#69 Fishy Lauren
ludicrous, effectively impossible phenomena you mean like human caused global warming? Could it be simply to http://tinyurl.com/22h6eh
#59,
There are too many questions which the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT refuses to answer.
Comment by Stars & Bars — 7/8/2007 @ 1:45 pm
Damn right !!!
Too bad for your conspiracy theory that not very many of them have to do with the attacks on 9/11.
If you have some facts to back up your assertions, then state them. Please quit with the links to biased “video exposes”. That doesn’t work. Personally I will not spend over an hour watching some video on You Tube that starts off with the premise that “The MYTH the Government …”
State your facts and link to reputable sites that confirm your facts. Citing the tin hat crowd will not convert people with IQs above room temperature.
#74 – OFTLO
“But YOU somehow become enlightened…”
Exactly. Think about it – behind tinfoil-hat paranoia is actually total egocentrism. “Millions of trained, educated scientists are all wrong, and I’m right. I can see things none of them can.” If that isn’t delusions of grandeur, then I don’t know what is.
“The CIA is controlling me through an implant in my tooth.” Paranoia like that is the dysfunctional means by which persons who are traumatized by their inner sense of unimportance and insignificance can assuage those feelings. “I AM somebody, because I’m important enough for the government to want to control me.”
And the ‘true believers’ in secret, impossible conspiracies have a milder form of that same delusional mechanism – they aren’t so important that the govt is controlling them, no; that would be absurd. But they ARE in on a terrible secret with earth-shaking implications, and YOU’RE NOT, which makes them savvy and wise and part of a highly exclusive group of people who aren’t fooled. “Everything only APPEARS to be normal and explicable to sheeple like you – only my brethren and I possess the rare insight to see through the charades.”
A quote from California high-desert trailer-camp UFO-monger Dr. “Happy” Harry Cox is appropriate at this point: “If you were never a special person before, you are a special person now!”
#73 – Alix
“…the point is that the facility is huge, employs a lot of people, and has complete secrecy that it has maintained for decades under intense scrutiny.”
All correct and proper. And nobody spills the beans or otherwise breaks secrecy for the simple reason that they are engaged in mundane, normal, comprehensible human activities, not hiding ETT or it’s creators. If they were, then all bets are off. Someone, whether motivated by concern for humanity’s safety, or simply wanting to be instantly rich and world-famous, would leak. The ability to keep a secret always increases in proportion to the mundanity of the secret. Aerospace R&D, no matter how bleeding-edge, is mundane; alien autopsies aren’t.
#76 Mr. Fizzle Please see #66
68. “Like the moonshot. Real “evidence” there that it did not happen. ”
So is that what you believe? We didnt go to the moon. And they kept that secret? Please explain.
The cospiracy theories need to stop. Someone needs to investigate how much money the French politicians made on the Food for Oil and other ‘peacekeeping’ endeavors. You think what’s going on in the US is even close to a ‘conspiracy’ intentional or not, look at the French.