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Unleashed: Unanswered 9/11 questions
The collapse of New York’s World Trade Centre on September 11, 2001 is arguably one of the most well documented events in human history. Less well documented is the controversy over why the buildings fell as they did.
At the time of writing, 357 architectural and engineering professionals have signed a petition which directly challenges the National Institute of Standards & Training’s official finding that the destruction of these massive buildings was caused solely by structural damage from the impact of jet airliners and the resulting fires.
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Current research indicates that an incendiary (thermite) may have been used to sever the massive box columns of the towers, causing the buildings to plummet to the ground at close to free-fall speed.
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“As no reports have come to light of any steel framed buildings collapsing due to fire, and as all steel framed buildings which had collapsed had done so due to explosive demolition, the logical way to have started the investigation of this surprising event would have been to question whether explosives had been used. This apparently did not occur.
William Rodriguez, an acknowledged hero of 9/11 who single-handedly rescued fifteen people from the North Tower, described a massive explosion in the basement which occurred before the first plane struck, pushing him upwards out of the seat of his chair.
The New York Fire Department’s oral histories project contains 118 witness statements which are strongly consistent with explosive demolition. Incredibly, none of this shocking testimony was included or acknowledged in any official investigation, including the 9/11 Commission.
If the towers were wired with explosives by terrorists prior to the planes, that would imply a lack of security on a massive scale that would be worth hiding. On the other hand, how do you hide that much work to rig buildings like that? If terrorists didn’t do it, why would the towers be rigged with explosives? Leaving aside the wacko’s government conspiracies, are other buildings routinely wired to blow to bring them straight down if something happens to prevent them falling onto other buildings? An interesting ‘protection’ scenario for the neighborhood that would be worth hiding for many reasons.
And then there’s this article from a few months ago with quotes from military experts like this one:
“A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible,” said Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret). With doctoral degrees in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Col. Bowman served as Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter.
“There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up,” continued Col. Bowman. “Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened and who’s responsible. Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? When you take those three things together, I think the case is pretty clear that it’s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney.”
it always amazes me how weak minded conspiracy theorists are. scratch that, it used to amaze me.
“well documented” isn’t a phrase i would use to describe anything that’s happened since 9/11
Detonation is absurd. They have already shown how they fell and why. Ever look at a building that crumbled in an earthquake? Even in a 3 story building the weight of the 2 stories above the first ends up flattening the WHOLE thing like a pancake. These buildings had many floors of weight on top of the middle floors that were shot to hell. I mean millions of tons of weight all of a sudden started to drop due to concrete crumbling into dust and solid steel melting due to the heat on the floors that were hit hard. Simple house of cards theory.
#96, Greenan,
SECONDARY EXPLOSIONS – EXPLAIN THAT!!!
OK, what secondary explosions. Remember, just because someone says they heard something that sounded like an explosion does not mean there was an explosion.
For example, take Rodriguez who claims to have been blown out of his chair by an explosion before the plane even hit the tower. The only problem is that no one else heard or felt any type of explosion before the impact and he didn’t get thrown from his chair until after telling his story for a couple of months.
Reports from Firemen inside the building felt the building collapse. As each floor pancaked into the one beneath it, it was just like a massive hammer. Yes, each floor would have felt just like an explosion. These reports though have been twisted by the twoofers into experiencing real explosions.
#98, zorkor,
There was not a single Jew killed in those wtc towers, well that’s another story.
Actually, there were quite a few Jews killed. And Muslims too.
Maybe you could do us a favor and post a link certifying how many Jews were killed. I doubt if you will because I could only find ancedotal lists of friends who were killed.
Just to remind us of what really happened that day:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks
Also: If you want to see a REAL explanation of what happened that day. see this film: United 93. I saw it and it’s absolutely excellent. One of the most memorable movies I have ever seen. Absolutely fantastic!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_93_%28film%29
I meant to say, if you wanted to see a real video of what happened that day…
Doesn’t it bother anyone that Bush OPPOSED THE 9/11 COMMISSION BEFORE HE WAS FOR IT ??? And then WOULDN’T TESTIFY UNDER OATH ??? AND THEN ONLY WITH CHENEY HOLDING HIS HAND UNDER THE TABLE ??? (AND NO DOUBT WITH QUESTIONS SUPPLIED BY CHENEY) !!! WHAT DID THEY HAVE TO HIDE, OTHER THAN ***GROSS DERELECTION OF DUTY*** AND ***TOTAL INCOMPETENCE*** ??? TREASON, PERHAPS ???
I was referring to the explosions several minutes BEFORE the actual collapse.
“Today’s mighty oak is just yesterday’s nut that held its ground.”
— Unknown
9/11 was probably the greatest single criminal act in history.
Crime VICTIMS want the crime that they are a victim of to be investigated.
Criminals involved (even indirectly) with a crime do not want the crime to be investigated.
Bush, Cheney and all of their Neo-con co-conspirators suppressed, evaded and minimized the investigation.
They are obviously guilty. Of what, it’s impossible to tell without a REAL investigation.
Also, remember how Bush reacted when he was informed of the attack.
#104. Ah-Yea said: I meant to say, if you wanted to see a real video of what happened that day…
Are you fucking serious? A Hollywood movie represents a real “video” of an event no one can no for certain what happened. Get the fuck outta here with that shit.
Well, that’s it then. Obviously, the video demonstrates exactly how things work. Buildings falling down–for whatever reason– tend to look like buildings falling down.
Proof, once again that stuff looks like stuff.
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Truss…look at the ceiling of modern buildings…and see the Truss system. Every fireman knows this, “Don’t trust the truss”.
Cook a truss for a while and watch its load bearing potential drop to nothing real fast.
Put a metal bar in heat…the closer it gets to its melting point, the less load it can carry, til it drops to zero.
The easiest explanations are the ones most don’t believe. *sigh*
Why do you spend so much time believing this sort of conspiracy theory with oddball experts claiming the official story is wrong, when in the crash of TWA 800, just about every aviation expert agrees that the CIA produced video of the crash is not plausible?
I find it interesting how people who believe the official story get SO upset when they hear any other theories. They call them all kind of things, they make silly comparisons. It’s funny then that the world is so full of lunatics.
I wonder why is it so difficult to imagine that things may be different to what we have believed until now, and why people are not at least willing to listen to the oppinion of others.
I guess we need to believe that the world we live in is fine, and we need to have the feeling that we know how the world works. No place for uncertainty, for questioning, for something between black and white.
As for the government being involved in such thing. Who knows? Maybe yes and maybe not. Why would it be impossible? There is a long list of terrible things that governments have done during centuries in most countries, the USA included. And is not so difficult to make people believe the opposite. Otherwise people would not fight to death for the most stupid things
Of course I don’t know what happened. I’ve read very much about the subject. Maybe all what I’ve read is false, who knows. But having read what I’ve read, and people considering myself a quite intelligent person, I think the official story smells very strange. Too many contradictions and too many unanswered questions. Why not take the time to respond to all those questions?
I also have thought that if the government would organize something like this someone would have talked about it. But who knows? What if those involved meet in a room in the Pentagon which suddenly is hit by “an airplane”?
And people should not get angry at this question. It’s just a question. I’m not insulting anyone. I am just curious. I think the right way to answer would be: it’s not possible because in that part of the building only this and that type of people worked. Or it’s not possible because no one worked there that day. But the probable answer would be go smoke some hash…
I wonder, for example, if there were dozens of cameras which recorded the pentagon that day, people claim that no airplane was hitting it, why don’t they just show 10 videos from different angles where you see an airplane hitting the pentagon? Only three blurry video frames with something white was shown. Aren’t there lots of video tapes? Why hide those videos? I mean, it’s just a building sitting there, what kind of confidential information can you gather from such a video? Anyone can drive on those roads or stay in those hotels and see it with their own eyes, so it can’t be so secret…
I guess I expect too much when I think that people could have serious and respectful discussions, talk, think and elaborate… instead of screaming at each other.
oh, that funky, funky smell of stupidity.
You troofers. You crack me up.
Who among you can tell me why the Athenians killed Socrates? Anyone? Anyone?
hint: It’s a question about the nature of certainty.
Remember!
Conspiracy theories exist because they make a lot of money selling videos and books to the nutjobs.
I wish I came up with this idea so I could sell 100,000 copies of “The Real Truth Behind 9/11”.
Unforunately, I didn’t.
Damn!
A good conspiracy theory is like cash in the bank and you get free advertising of your DVD, book, website by nutjob word-of-mouth advertising.
Follow the money.
Add:
The people most likely to believe a conspiracy theory are the uneducated .. you know, those people buying scratch off lottery tickets at the gas station and so on.
A fool and his money are parted easily.
Sorry for the triple post everyone, but here is the web site of the people behind this get rich quick scheme to sell these DVDs:
http://www.wtc7.net/store/videos/proof/order.html
This conspiracy theory is just a scheme to make $25 a pop selling DVDs and books.
Just for the record…
The official story is also a “conspiracy theory.”
Will somebody give a (morally) good reason for the Bush administration to suppress the investigation?
#114. Excellent rational post, we need more people like you.
>>Too many contradictions and too many
>>unanswered questions.
Way too many. Maybe things happened just the way they say. Maybe not.
But when those with the most potential secrets to hide start screaming “CONSPIRACY THEORY” and suggesting that the “theorists” need to don tin foil hats, I get a little suspicious.
Everything about 911 makes perfect sense when you look at all the facts, and not just those that suit your agenda.
#120, Travis, you have got to be kidding. If #114 was a rational post then George Bush flawless.
Here’s an old DU item re WTC collapses. Wish I could find the others. Includes plenty of hard evidence to refute the “Truthers” above, and even includes an ex NYFD battalion chief who chimes in.
http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10143
Bottom line is that the jet hit like a bomb, outright destroying some structural members; wiping clean the fireproofing fluff on the steel supports; bursting, spraying and setting all the fuel from full fuel tanks on fire.
These fuel fires set all the office furnishings, files and other burnables on fire which raised the temperature of the steel to the point it weakened enough to give way and allow all the floors above to flatten the damaged floors. The rest of the building could not withstand the sudden weight and impact of all the floors falling from above.
The temp of office fires; the effect on steel beams; & sagging, formerly horizontal, WCT beams prior to the collapse have all been documented.
RBG
#106, Jim,
Geeze, so what is your point?
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#107, B. Greenan,
I was referring to the explosions several minutes BEFORE the actual collapse.
I asked before. What explosions?
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#108, artshu,
9/11 was probably the greatest single criminal act in history.
Not even close. A small fraction of 1% of the larger massacres. The Nazi Holocaust claimed about 6 million in 1943-1945. Stalin’s starvation of the Ukraine is estimated at up to 10 million during the 1930s. and Pol Pot killed an estimated 1 ½ million. Turkey is reported to have killed 1 ½ million Armenians in 1915. Then there are those that consider the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki criminal acts which killed between 200,000 and 500,000 in 1945. And the Japanese Rape of Nanking killed an estimated 200,000 in 1938.
They are obviously guilty. Of what, it’s impossible to tell without a REAL investigation.
LOL, so they are guilty. You don’t know what they are guilty of but it must be something. Geeze, that has to be the leading contender for Bubba Ray Dip Dork Award.
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#114, Milno,
… having read what I’ve read, and people considering myself a quite intelligent person, I think the official story smells very strange. Too many contradictions and too many unanswered questions. Why not take the time to respond to all those questions?
The contradictions and questions are from those who see conspiracy at the drop of a hat. Twoofers don’t care for facts.
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#120, Travis,
Maybe, maybe not. It depends on how fucked up your head is.
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#121, Mustard,
when those with the most potential secrets to hide start screaming “CONSPIRACY THEORY” and suggesting that the “theorists” need to don tin foil hats, I get a little suspicious.
Suspicion is good. Always question. Just know when the answer given is correct. Don’t invent or ignore facts.
Excellent links, RGB. Very informative.
Unfortunately, as we know, we are “singing to the choir” when we are trying to prove the conspiracy theorist wrong using facts.
My wife and I had a conversation recently about something related, it went something like this:
Wife: “That stuff (conspiracy) is so stupid, how can anyone believe this?”
My answer: “Because they’re crazy”.
“But there is so much evidence that what they say is wrong!, how can they still believe this?”
“Because they’re crazy”.
“Well, when you present them with the indisputable facts -by those who would know, and who don’t have any personal agenda- then they will believe, right?”
“No”.
“Why not?!?”
“Because they’re crazy”.
I guessI just need to watch the film again but I seem to recall clearly watching the building pan cake. That would require that the bombs be set on the same level the planes crashed into. Since they were supposed to hit lower what are the odds on that?
To secretly wire three huge BUSY buildings with explosives prior to 9/11 would have required a huge conspiracy of demolition experts, equipment suppliers who could be audited, equipment transports, security personnel to get the equipment in unnoticed, structural engineers who investigated the collapse and faked reports, etc.
It would have involved HUNDREDS of people. Wouldn’t a few of them have come forward by now?