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Isn’t it ironic, the religious folks here that couldn’t find the sources of the chart and suggesting that the numbers were somehow “pulled out of their ass?”
Should we explain “embiggen?”
So religion is the driver of the other measures? Why not put air pollution on it and relate it to religion?
It would be neat to see a cube of this over time with the other dimensions John mentioned.
#34 – I can see where you could relate a lot of evangelists to hot air.
Special Ed,
You said a mouth full there pal. Please read link number 2 in my post above. I gave reputable sources when I wrote that. 90% of the responses I got were via twitter saying it was propaganda! No one wanted to go on the record on the site because they could only fire blanks in response. They are doing the same thing here.
There was a story on NBC yesterday about how Fox News is number one with 80% of conservatives saying they trusted no one else to provide news. Conversely 60% of liberals say the like MSNBC but only 32% said they they trust them exclusively. You can see that almost 3 times as many conservatives are confident in using only one source for news. Liberals tend to vary their news sources, are less likely to choose a source because it does not challenge their belief system, and so are not so gullible.
[begin rant]
Think about it. Why call it “news” if it’s always predictable? News should challenge you because some of the things you hear in it are NEW!
BTW: JCD, why are there so few journalists willing to challenge the falsehoods cranking out of Fox? Regardless a person’s politics, that can’t possibly sit well in context of journalism ethics or any journalist that takes their fiduciary seriously.
[end rant]
#25 You could change around the columns if you want, but it would still have the same information in it. It’s just a table and doesn’t make a causal case about religion.
JCD, I think California’s problem is that it should be at least two states. Same deal with stupor-size companies. Anything that big isn’t coherent.
#27, qb… Hmmmm. All those happy, smart, prosperous states are close to Canada. Coincidence? I think not. “
Thank you for saying that qb. I would also like to thank all the northern states who are being such nice neighbours to us, and if you are ever in Southern Ontario, please come to dinner. We won’t say grace, and we won’t say it in both official languages. We love you.
#36 JScott, you seem to have a problem with Fox News. The next thing we know, you’ll probably even be challenging Brit Hume’s extremely wise advice a couple of weeks ago that Tiger Woods should abandon Buddhism for Christianity because of the extra forgiveness and redemption it offers over Buddhism. Be careful about attacking the Lord’s messengers.
Incidentally, Hume forgot to mention that for a limited time only, new converts can get a double forgiveness bonus if they mention Fox News in their prayer.
Gary, the dangerous infidel said, “Be careful about attacking the Lord’s messengers.”
Well, I think it’s about time that “the Lord” becomes a bit more discriminating on who his messengers are. Seems every “messenger” wants to tell others how they should live their lives without considering “the mote in thine own eye.”
JScott, unless you repent, may the great prophet Hume hurl a high-definition thunderbolt in your general direction 😉
John C Dvorak said, on February 2nd, 2010 at 10:58 am
The California IQ is disturbing. Outside of Mississippi, we are the dumbest state in the country (tied with Alabama)…
You live in California, don’t you?
Well, it seems that you’re living proof of the chart’s findings…
94 – Mississippi
95 – Louisiana
96 – Alabama
96 – California
96 – Hawaii
96 – New Mexico
Some states don’t have a divorce rate and the IQ of people in various states varies?
I have no clue where they got their numbers from.
I do know this thing is crap.
I suspect the person posting this garbage has been using way to much weed or was that huffing? Either that or they are trolling: Trying to get a fuss going.
No wonder why people believe in man-made global warming. Someone who completely biased makes a chart that full of bullshit facts and people proclaim it as gospel. Read how the source of the “facts” were actually produced. Even the website for the IQ scores say not to take it seriously.
IQ’s were determined by survey. The question: “What is your IQ?” received answers ranging between “I’m 5” and “106 feet” . Answers were verified by ‘part b’ of the question, “Type in your answer again.”
We need to remember that correlation does not mean causation.
There probably isn’t one cause, I think that the various factors feed on each other.
Religious people tend to be less educated and have lower standards of living, less educated people tend to be more religious and have a lower standards of living and people who have a lower standard of living tend to be more religious and less educated. This doesn’t mean that religiosity, education or standard of living determines the other two variables, it seems (to me at least) that its not one of the variables causes the others its that they variables feed on each other (you change one regardless of which one, the others will change).
There is one variable that is more important than the others though: education. Because it is the variable that is the easiest to change. Increase education and you lower religiosity, lower conservatism, lower crime rates, these in turn effect each other further lowering each other and increasing education.
deowll said, …blah blah “no clue where they got their numbers from,” blah blah “thing is crap,” blah blah “Trying to get a fuss going”
So what’s wrong with a little fussing? Adds flavor to life.
And Gary, I have a thunderbolt-proof vest.
One last thing: I have said several times recently that people say they just don’t believe EVIDENCE that supports differing ideas. We are geeks here right? Try refuting EVIDENCE for a change. If it’s crap, it should be fairly simple to prove that. You know how to spell Google don’t you? Or maybe it’s the dot com you are having problems with..? Here’s a hint: don’t spell out the dot.
#42 “No surprise that the deep south is most f’d up of all.”
Why do you say that? Lived there a lot have you?
#49 We’re not making fun of the banjo states, just discussing the correlation of the data. Personally, I love to visit for good old fashion cooking and bbq.
Moooah , fantastico!
#46 Skeptic said “IQ’s were determined by survey.”
Good thing they didn’t ask for penis size.
Notice that IQ varies inversely as temperature, more or less? Once again, every article should have a BS-o-meter if any do.
10: Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color.
#53
I don’t know, sometime it is hard when the few Atheist out there are so adamant about “hate” that it practically falls under “fanaticism” which is of course like religion in most forms.
It’s not just that they don’t believe in religion and want nothing to do with it, but they go out of their way to make sure absolutely nothing stands between them and their non-religious rights. Sounds familiar?
Meet my Christian friend here…who will stand at nothing you are or do if you’re not a Christian! Hence, ex-friend.
#50 Dallas, the best bbq I ever had was in your namesake city. Spring Creek Barbeque, on 75 just north of 635. I also loved the garlic pizza at Campisi’s on Mockingbird Lane (where Jack Ruby used to hang out) and the Chicken Fried Chicken at the Black Eyed Pea restaurants.
yum… now I’m hungry.
#54 – You really have it wrong. Just because we think you are stoopid doesn’t mean we hate you. We just roll our eyes at your collective gullibility.