Melting glaciers and ice sheets are releasing cancer-causing pollutants into the air and oceans, scientists say. The long-lasting chemicals get into the food chain and build up in people’s bodies – triggering tumours, heart disease and infertility. The warning comes in new international study into the links between climate change and a class of man-made toxins called persistent organic pollutants.
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‘In the past pollutants have travelled long distances and become trapped in ice in glaciers and ice sheets. But as the ice melts, or when temperatures go up, they are released back into the seas and atmosphere.‘It doesn’t matter whether you live in Kenya or Britain, the food goes everywhere around the world.’
The U.N.’s Cancun conference on global warming ended Friday with an agreement to spend $100 billion, although not everyone was happy.
Meanwhile, Bolivia was the most vocal opponent of the draft passed Friday, with chief negotiator Pablo Solon saying the carbon reduction targets fell short, the reports said.
“This is tantamount to making us responsible for a situation my president has described as genocide and ecocide,” Solon said.
Ecocide. Today’s Word of the Day!
Good. I’m going out to fire up dozen charcoal grills release some carbon just for the fun if it.
If these “chemicals” are trapped in the ice, they were there long before I was born. So I don’t give a shit.
I suppose this occured every time in the history of the planet when the climate went through a cyclical change from cold to warm.
So now we know that things change all of the time.
I have known that for years and years.
Today, I am going to fire up my CALIFORNIA AIR RESOURCES BOARD NON-COMPLIANT illegal as hell Husqvarna chain saw, which I had to buy from another state. It seems in 49 other states, there crazies don’t make the laws.
Persistent insecticides last forever in ice, but in sea water they (slowly) degrade and dilute. Dioxin, mercury and industrial solvents like trichloroethylene and PCP will present other problems, they are readily absorbed into sea life and into the food chain that includes humans.
Pollutants from the past 10,000+ years…All dumped into the Ocean in a mater of 50-100 years..
The Title “Carbon XXX” is a misnomer. It ISNT Carbon, unless you are basing ALL Pollutants on their basic break down components..
There are a few QUICK ways to solve MUCH of this.
1. REQUIRE DURABLE GOODS. Products to LAST more then 90-120-1year.
2. REPAIRABLE PRODUCTS.
This is TOTALLY against the 1970’s-onward of Business practices.. Of making items FAIL over a short duration.
Hey maybe the black death will make a come back?
That’ll make these people happy to warn you against that. Not to mention it will relieve the goons that believe we are overpopulated.
Win-Win for the wringing hands people!
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If you can’t dazzle them with the facts…
Baffle them with the BS.
One thing that will NOT surprise me, and it has been shown to happen, is the Preservation of Virus.
WE DONT KNOW, what will pop up..
#8, That’s what worries me a bit too.
Nothing like how much I’m told I SHOULD worry, but still, its like a body that died from smallpox and got frozen for decades, thawing out and having that particular nasty virus out and about again without most of the population having vaccine resistance to it.
As for POPs and their ilk, its just another scare tactic to get people to welcome in a bogus carbon tax thing while the ‘elite’ rub their hands all the way to the banks they own.
What a bunch of bullshiit. Donald Cooper, of the United Nations Environment Programme states that higher temperatures were likely to increase the spread of malaria.
Bobbo, how can you tolerate this crap?
This is from a recent article in the journal “Nature”.
http://nature.com/nature/journal/v465/n7296/full/nature09098.html
“First, widespread claims that rising mean temperatures have already led to increases in worldwide malaria morbidity and mortality are largely at odds with observed decreasing global trends in both its endemicity and geographic extent. Second, the proposed future effects of rising temperatures on endemicity are at least one order of magnitude smaller than changes observed since about 1900 and up to two orders of magnitude smaller than those that can be achieved by the effective scale-up of key control measures. Predictions of an intensification of malaria in a warmer world, based on extrapolated empirical relationships or biological mechanisms, must be set against a context of a century of warming that has seen marked global declines in the disease and a substantial weakening of the global correlation between malaria endemicity and climate.”
These shysters will stop at nothing to con you out of your money. Pathetic! Cancer from iceburgs? Kiss my ass, and I hope you choke on your lies Cooper!
So, the UN is using our dues to pay for conferences in CANCUN? Lots of good science comes out of the pool bars.
“The U.N.’s Cancun conference on global warming ended Friday with an agreement to spend $100 billion, although not everyone was happy.”
Yeah, I didn’t get shit.
The newly-released pollutants are diluted by the ice they’re in. Probably at the same ratios they’re already represented by in the ocean. Duh!
It was 9 degrees F on my front porch this morning at 8:15. It isn’t supposed to get up to freezing.
The bleeps who just signed off on the deal flew to Cancun on jets and have the carbon footprints of a city.
They are just a bunch of lying hypocritical con men trying to rip off the marks while they live like gods.
Release compared to what ?
The production of one car ?
# 15 deowll – ‘have the carbon footprints of a city’
Yeah but it was warm there at least. They didn’t have to start a fire to keep warm like they do in their f-ing huts back home!
Where is the BS Meter ? If it didn’t kill us the first time …
And let me guess… A big fat carbon tax on all of us will magically re-freeze the Glaciers and save the World! Good one.
I was so hoping that there would be a freak snow storm at the U.N. Cancun meeting. Notice they had to get closer to the equator as to not get embarrassed when talking about global warning? There was record setting blizzards in Copenhagen last year at their last meeting. Classic.
Most of you anti-warmers are idiots. Idiots plain and simple. Its not that you are WRONG but that you have been wrong in the past, told how you are wrong, and yet you continue to post as if you have never been presented with the information to correct your idiocy.
“Global Warming” was not a detailed description of the issue. It was a simple shorthand LABEL for the issue. As your moronic label controlled ditto-headed stupidity was wasting too much time, the label got changed to “Climate Change” so that every day that it was “cold” would not get you idiots yammering. Of course, it doesn’t work. Facts don’t stop idiots, only other idiots stop idiots. Here’s how to do it: hey sports fans–football at 800PM–woot, woot!
Cimate Change: as the carbon level increases in the atmosphere, more heat from the sun is retained. This heat supplies more power to the earth’s climate system causing overall greater temperatures but this is accompanied by greater extremes as well-meaning cold systems will be bigger/colder as will larger and longer lasting droughts. Temperate zones will expand and move north, glaciers will melt, sea level will rise. Life, including human life will continue, but as with the weather, disruptions will become more intense.
You people are wedded to your stupidity. I post only for those new to the subject.
So these should be items to which the human race has already adapted, perhaps millions of years ago.
Yo bobbo, Doubling CO2 causes a warming of ab out 1 degree Celsius. Feedback levels are unknown.
So while your description of the problem is accurate if you have lots of warming, it could be that the amount of warming is so small that it is hidden within the bounds of natural variation.
First it was “Global Warming”. But that didn’t always sell, during these harsh, record breaking winters we’ve been having. So then they came up with “Climate Change” to help explain away why “warming” causes feet of slow each winter. But eventually, I think we can count on yet another nebulous pseudo-science term to be invented, when the charm of “climate change” wears thin. So I’ve taken the liberty to heading this off, and pre-devised my own new media catch phrase for this “Emperor’s New Clothes” field of scare-ology. I call it “Climate VooDoo”. It’s Global Warming, but with all the scare-ology and exploitation of that pseudo-religious fanatical superstition. And other things are similar too. Such as how mostly its the chief priests of same, that profit the most from everyone else being caught up in believing in it. And naturally, there could be some Climate Zombies too. I think Al Gore might be one.
So remember, you read it hear first. An exclusive for DU. Climate VooDoo. I was a bit inspired by Ronald Reagan’s “VooDoo Economics” term. Still not sure what he meant by that. Possibly economics that couldn’t be explained, accept by its own high priests. And then it still didn’t seem to work, for anyone else but them. So when you’re shoveling out from under feet of snow, this winter. Remember Climate VooDoo says you’re really burning up. Believe!
Aghhhhh. We’re all gonna DIE!!!!
I think the new term is climate disruption.
You are in favor of fighting climate disruption right?
You don’t support disrupting the climate, do you?
#21 bobbo,
OK fine.. I’ll dig up some more proof when I’m not on call. I don’t have an issue with conserving the environment or protecting our Earth’s atmosphere… however the methods in which these CO2 cults use take advantage of the situation are mostly aimed at screwing the general population.
The ‘Climate Gate’ emails prove that the IPCC were a bunch of scamming liars who were doctoring data for their own agenda (tons of money and more draconian control peoples lives).
NO amount of Carbon Taxes and International Trading Scams will decrease CO2 levels. And when the new ‘Bio-Diversity’ meme comes out it will be a scam as well.
What ever happened to good old acid rain?
#28–dexton==you have made some fine posts here recently. Evidently, you enjoy variety?
The issue I am highlighting doesn’t go to the truth or falsity of global warming/change/disruption and therefore whatever “proof” you have, which actually is impossible either way, is irrelevant.
No, my issue is just what the THEORY of global warming IS, and how too many idiots here, in fact, all of them, can’t think past the unrelated simple meaning of the label applied. Sadly, you are only one step removed from these dolts.
Clancy–ocean acidification is taking a back seat in the news, but is still evidencing itself every time it is looked at. I expect an ocean based food chain collapse well before billions are displaced by ocean level rise. Easy to google.
# 30 bobbo,
CO2 Ocean Acidification is a real issue, I agree. There still needs to be more data collected, but you are right that this should be investigated more thoroughly. Lowering the PH of the oceans can cause calcifying organisms to have difficulty developing and would definitely harm the food chain as some point. I understand all of that and it’s a valid concern that’s not being talked about.
I do not however believe that people in Savannah Georgia are going to be wearing waders around the neighborhood due to CO2 in the next 100 years.
The Science is definitively not ‘in’ for Climate Change as a true model. The Earth’s climate systems change by itself over time without human nudging here and there… we are due for yet another natural ice age in 50,000 or so years and may have a few small ice ages already on the way. Historically there were ‘small’ ice ages beginning at about 1650, about 1770, and 1850, each separated by intervals of slight warming. Who knows.. extra CO2 may actually end up saving us from the deep freeze later on.
More than 300 million years ago, there was 31 to 35 percent oxygen in the air and we have fossils of dragonflies that had wingspans of almost 3 feet! Just imagine what the damn spiders looked like… My point is that the Earth is naturally dynamic and we have added yet another small variable to the system – us… and no one really knows what is going to happen yet.
Also, my argument is not against real science, but rather the scam artists and snake oil salesman that try to take advantage of people’s concern for our planet to enslave us and make themselves rich. F that.
And yes I enjoy variety – it’s the spice of life. =]
Ya know there reaaallly needs to be a sarcasm font.
dexton–are you being obstinate on purpose or only enthusiastically? “If” the global climate warming/change/disruption models are accurate, is the claim that “it sure is cold where I am” have any evidentiary value?
In essence, you don’t want to accept the AGW theory until it is “proved” by the earth suffering some cataclysm that will greatly stress our ability to support the billions in population that we have/will have. I will assume you actually take this position not based on the science/theory but rather because of the politics around it. Bad science.
Clancy–whats wrong with answering sarcasm with a factual comment? What is the “type” of response you want? Do you require: “Oh, that was sarcasm?” But yea, it is hard to tell because it requires the reader to read past the words to an appreciation of the speaker—and we are all strangers here. Even harder when the sarcasm is factually correct. Know what I mean? ((No sarcasm at all. No font needed.))
Even if the theory is valid, none of the proposed solutions do anything to solve the problem. It is easy to declare cut emissions by 80%, but when Europe+Japan+US+Russia+ Australia+Canada+South Korea amount to less than half of emissions, you know you are not getting an 80% cut. At that point a carbon tax, or banning lightbulbs, or raising gas prices by %5 a gallon, in the countries that represents a minority of emissions, will not lower temperatures.