When it comes to the debate over whether former White House aide Lewis “Scooter” Libby should be pardoned, the Republican presidential field is split between “yes,” “no,” “maybe” and “I’d have to study the transcript.”
Only two candidates said outright that they would offer a pardon to Vice President Dick Cheney’s former chief of staff — Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas and Rep. Tom Tancredo of Colorado. The discouraging news for Libby, as he tries to avoid prison, is that those two White House hopefuls combined, have a scant 3 percent support in the latest average of national polls.
Two other candidates who are currently long shots, former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore and Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, said they would not pardon Libby.
The rest waffled.
I loved when the lightning interrupted Mob Boss Giulianis answer to the abortion issue. And, as predicted, the other candidates distanced themselves. Bunch of pussies.
Did Libby get a blowjob? NO!
Therefore, his lying is OK.
He will be pardoned by Bush at least 24 hours before he is due to report for prison. Everyone else in his administration will be pardoned before he leaves office, whether or not they did anything. If Bush doesn’t then they will be crawling all over themselves asking for clemency before the Congressional committees.
SOP..
3. Yeah, I can hear it now, “hey Clinton did it too!” (sounds of crying and rubbing of eyes, its just not fair! more pouting)
It seems Ron Paul won the debate again according to viewers polled. So funny that the man they give the least amount of time to is the most popular. What is happening here?
http://tinyurl.com/38vnvz
libby was the fall-guy,
he took the shame,
now he’ll get pardoned
and make a mint on the lecture circuit
that’s how politics works in america
#8, Ron Paul’s online mob is stuffing ballots. He’s barely a blip on the actual radar out in the real world, away from Digg.
8. The “real world ” are the voters, not the pundits my friend.
#9 – Exactly, and Ron Paul’s not tracking with anyone in the real world. He’s another internet darling going nowhere fast.
#10 – Yes… An Internet darling… And for imaginable reason. What is his draw? That he’s as anti everything as the typical Internet malcontent?
Yeah, because we all know the internet and the people who use it are irrelevant. LOL.
#12 – Stop putting words in people’s mouths. No one said the internet doesn’t matter, but it does NOT get politicians elected. See Kos’s utter failuer to get any candidate they;ve backed elected to dogcatcher much less Senator or President.
To clarify: Ron Paul has a SMALL dedicated following that is stuffing online polls like crazy to make him look like a more serious candidate. Meanwhile the overwhelming majority of all voters of all parties either don’t like him, or never heard of him. I won’t presume to show you a poll you can call biased…go look for Rasmussen or Zogby or Quinnipiac polls for yourself and see that I speak the truth. Look for OFFLINE polls that are filled with good cross-sections of likely voters. They all say Ron Paul is basically statistically insignificant.
His online mob is ballot-stuffing. They’ve admitted it on many a Digg thread.
#11 – for NO imaginable….
Jeez… I switch from Mozilla to Firefox for the spell checker… Now I need a plug in to remind me when I’ve left whole words out of a post.
13. malware- Thats what is called a grass roots movement. And sorry, I dont worship at the Digg alter.
11. Yes anti war, anti overspending, anti interventionist, anti Bush. Dont worry about it OFTLO, we all know you will vote straight ticket Democrat. Because you are a “team player”.
#13, malren
Popularity through populism or popularity through buying votes. I know which candidate I prefer.
Geeze, why do the Right Wing Nut Neo-con Evangelical Conservative Republicans hate one of their own so much. Would it have anything to do with Dr. Ron Paul’s not supporting a dirty war that the majority of Americans are against?
Ron Paul is just cross dressing as a republican so he has a shot at the primary vote. He still is a libretarian at heart but no third party will ever get elected with the two party strangle hold on the primary voting.
Funny how we have not even had a primary yet and people are dumping on Ron Paul’s chances of winning. Ron Paul does have a small following but it is growing quickly.
Sure, you can say the interenet polls are rigged by Ron Paul followers, but the most accurate means of predictng who is going to win are on odds makers. After these debates, odds makers have lowered Ron Paul’s odds of winning the nomination from a 1000 to 1 to 15 to 1.
One last point is that most of the big money men who got elected, AKA the Bush Rangers or Pioneers, have stayed on the sidelines for now according to Business Week. If they get behind Ron Paul, anything can happen.
Whether Paul makes it out of the Republican primary contest or not, it still heartens me to see that the libertarian movement does seem to be growing once again in this country.
Do you even realize that some of those labels oppose each other? Do you ever do anything but name-call?
So was every single candidate that the “netroots” has backed so far. Kos is like 0 for 16. Internet darlings, left or right, almost never get elected. Period.
Grassroots movements require real voters, ones that are registered and that actually turn out on Election Day, not a bunch of kids online that pretend to be activists and back anyone who panders to the “netroots.”
I’m not saying Ron Paul is a bad guy. I like about half of what he says, as I lean more libertarian than conservative – well, maybe splat in between both. Anyway, what I’m saying is his “poll victories” are ONLY online polls that are easily stuffed by a small-but-dedicated following. I predict Ron Paul won’t make it past the first two weeks of primary season. Neither will Tancredo or anyone polling lower than Mitt Romney. No matter what the internet does or says *now*, the final four Republican nominees will be McCain, Giuliani, Romney and Thompson, in no particular order.
George Bush and the current crop of Republicans presidential candidates are the best thing to happen to Libertarian party in the last 20 years.
I remember when I was proud to be a Republican. You know, back when the party platform was smaller government and budget control.
I would rather vote for Hillary Clinton (shudder) than any of those mental midgets running for the Republican nomination (except for Ron Paul).
21.
McCain- wont make it because he keeps shooting himself in the foot.
Romney- no substance – pretty boy.
Giuliani- just a fucking crook, yeah, repugs like that
Thompson- maybe, I have no opinion, yet.
You could be right. Republicans are, for the most part, idiots.
#15 – Because you are a “team player”.
If you care about your ideology, you should be too. People who vote against the guy the agree with just because that guy might have offended some ethical sensibility they have are idiots who will never get the government they want.
I advocate the removal of all corrupt politicians, Republican or Democrat, as long as there are Democrats ready to replace them.
OFTLO- My ideology has no label, except “mine”. No Democrat or Republican speaks for me.
“People who vote against the guy the agree with just because that guy might have offended some ethical sensibility they have are idiots who will never get the government they want.”
I couldnt agree more. Its EXACTLY what I am trying to say. Why are you saying this? A team player will not vote except for one on his team, no matter how much they agree with a man on the other side. Cripes all freakin schimmidybob!!!!!! (sorry, I dont know what that means either).
“I advocate the removal of all corrupt politicians, Republican or Democrat, as long as there are Democrats ready to replace them.”
Well hell ya! I’ll go one further. In fact they should be held to a higher standard, why should peons like us follow the law if the leaders dont have to?
#25 – Mark… If I agreed with the man on the other side, wouldn’t that mean I disagreed with my side and I should switch sides?
I could boil my argument way down. I vote for a platform, not a personality.
I see your point. It isn’t invalid. And yes, I am a Democrat and I vote the blue column…
Well hell ya! I’ll go one further. In fact they should be held to a higher standard, why should peons like us follow the law if the leaders dont have to?
But if William Jefferson were on my ballot, honestly, I’d skip that line all together. We all have to draw lines…
I understand why Nancy Pelosi hasn’t condemned him… He hasn’t been convicted of anything. He’s innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. She’s holding herself to a higher standard than I hold myself to… But I still would not vote for him.
Oops, missed one.
“as long as there are Democrats ready to replace them.”
Yeah, thats pretty unrealistic.
Pardon Libby!
#26 – But Pelosi herself is corrupt. They’re squashed most of it but a couple of items have leaked out. I believe Del Monte Tuna was one.
#22 – I would vote for bucket of my dog’s vomit before I’d vote for Hillarius. America would be better off suffering an all-out nuclear attack than get her.
#17 – Jesse Ventura managed a 3rd part win in Minnesota against a Humphrey even. But that was unique circumstances and you’re right – not likely to happen in a presidential race for another century.
#29 – Well hell ya! I’ll go one further. In fact they should be held to a higher standard, why should peons like us follow the law if the leaders dont have to?
I’m glad you say stuff like that. It helps the stuff I say sound more reasonable and even-handed.