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Congrats, Al, on the Nobel Prize.
Global Warming: Scientific Consensus Proved Wrong
The world’s climate experts have long been making some very dire predictions about Global Warming. Because they are predictions, they rely very heavily on computer models.
Many people– especially conservatives– warned about this. They pointed out that models are prone to many errors, and the scientific consensus is not always right.
Other people chose to rely on the scientific consensus. Honesty compels me to admit that I was in this group. We didn’t think think the consensus was the last word, but we did believe it was the best window to the future a non-specialist could look through.
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The consensus of climate experts were wrong. Absolutely, verifiably wrong. The computer models were wrong. They simply do not match reality.
The reality is much, MUCH worse than the scientific consensus predicted. The arctic ice cap is melting decades faster than expected. DECADES.
Time to buy Canadian tundra (ie, frozen land soon to have a Mediterranean climate apparently)? If you’d rather hold off on that move, look no further than this odd idea.
Misanthropic Scott,
and which of the peer reviewed papers indicate that we can reverse global warming??????
#29 – Clarification. Conservatives don’t care about just any old future. Conservatives care about creating a worthwhile future.
>>And this is just days after a judge ordered that schools
>>showing his film have to give a disclaimer that it is not accurate.
Yeah, it’s well known that leading scientific institutions worldwide select their most respected thought leaders from among the ranks of BRITISH BARRISTERS!!
Haw! I can’t believe you actually tried to use that as an argument. It’s about on par with arguments used by the rest of the global-warming gainsayers, though. Pitiful.
#27 – Also add CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS,NY Times, Washington Post, BBC, etc as equally biased, unreliable sources.
Let me ask you guys who don’t trust any source at all, where is your accurate info from?
So how much has the sea level risen since 1960?
#33 – Les,
None. In fact, quite the opposite. We are already committed to 10 more years of warming if we stop emitting carbon today. What we can do is mitigate the worst of the effects to the best of our ability and plan for the warming to come. If we stay on present course, however, we will cross a tipping point beyond which a positive feedback loop of warming occurs.
If this happens, global civilizational collapse is near certain. Human extinction is a good bet. The latter two statements are mostly opinion based on reading books like Plan B 2.0, Collapse, and The Weather Makers. You are entitled to leave your head in the sand and ignore them. Just keep repeating … global warming is a hoax … my kids will be fine … the earth can sustain a mass of humans greater than the earth itself … no action is necessary.
BTW, the mass of humans comment is backed up by any mathematical calculation of what happens if we continue to breed faster than we die. It truly is a physical impossibility for us to continue to do so.
#31 – Mr. Fusion,
You’re welcome. I couldn’t let that one stand. Thanks for the compliment. I am having a bit of trouble keeping up with these two parallel threads.
#34 – Clarification. Conservatives don’t care about just any old future. Conservatives care about creating a worthwhile future.
Respectfully, you are full of shit… You are defining worthwhile as such a wildly subjective and decedent thing. Unless my read is way off, your attitude seems to be that if you can’t have every last fragment of luxury imaginable that none of it is worth having and you might as well scorch the Earth and bury the species.
On that point, you are simply wrong.
The modern conservative is about plundering and exploiting everything and everyone without regard for the future. It’s just a selfish load of Randian bullshit.
Maybe I should have voted for Al rather than the collection of noobs that got the job… Wait, I DID vote for Al.
What do you suppose the chances are for W to get a Nobel?
Misanthropic Scott,
Global warming due to man’s emissions is a hoax. The Earth goes through cycles of warmth and coldness. This cycle that we’re going through of warmness is being utilized to move people who are superstitious (the majority of the world) in order to correct the real goal which is, like I said, to create a cleaner environment for humans particularly in cities where the liberals live. Conservatives have their homes on ranches (Bush’s 1600 acres, e.g.) and country homes where nature is pretty much still prestine. Come to the cities where the liberals, artists and creative minds of the world meet and you will find a place that needs cleaning up.
The Conservatives are simple-minded people who are trying to protect their lavish lifestyles away from the cities. But it is the cities that provide life with the riches of creativity. Creation comes from cities like New York, Hollywood, Tokyo, San Francisco, etc. If we let the Conservatives have their way, all you’ll see are churches, Bible re-enactments and hidden sex.
Al Gore for president!
For the global warming doubters, I think the time is past to debate if the warming is happening (it most definately is) and that it’s due to human activity (also true if you believe the UN report from 1000’s of scientists).
It IS true that a lot of the popular media are calling doubt on the ‘controversy’ but if you look at cridible peer reviewed scientific journals (pick a journal, ANY journal) you’ll see NO articles questioning either of the two key points in the last 5 years (that I’m aware of anyway). So unless you believe there is a global conspiracy of scientists (a group of people that in general LOVE to point out flaws in each others arguments) it IS happening.
The only debate is how fast and what will be the consequenses of the warming. Right now we’re doing very little, certainly nothing that will affect that warming will get worse, it will. What happens if we do nothing?
#42 – Shhh,
Actually, I live in Manhattan. And, I have to say as humbly as I can that your post is an enormous mound of steaming dung. Where did you get that stuff? Know where the real repugnican base is? It’s in major corporations and banks. You’ll never meet a more thoroughly republican base of support than walking out on a trading floor. Try walking on to one of the floors of any of the brokerages in NYC and yelling over the din, ‘Can I get a big round of applause for the Democrats?’ You’ll be lucky not to get hit in the head with 50 flying phones, not cell phones, desk phones.
And, are you a climate scientist that you state that you know more than all of the climate scientists in the IPCC and most of the rest of the ones in the world?
Global Warming is not the issue. It’s happening and no scientist will dispute this. The controversy is on “why” it’s happening. Does it coincide with man’s industrial revolution (sure seems that way), or is it natural and an extraordinary coincidence? We’ll see, but it sure seems silly to just “wait and see” rather than taking whatever action we can… just in case. No one will dispute that our pumping of green house gasses into the atmosphere will have no effect.
To some that say global warming is a good thing has absolutely no grasp of the plight of humans in places where global warming would have a dramatic and devastating effect. In fact, the peace prize was awarded due to this.
Carter has done more for the plight of humanity than everyone posting in this thread combined (including me). Arafat’s prize was awarded for good cause also (at the time). My goodness, do a little research before posting such nonsensical statements. Stop watching FoxNews and put on your critical thinking caps people. You right wingers are so engrossed with jingoism, screw the rest, greed and ruling through power that it’s scary… evil and scary.
Good luck… we need it.
I was looking to provide a link to part of documentary called “The Great Global Warming Swindle” which offers dissenting opinions on the Global Warming issue.
The one I was looking for was 40+ minutes long, but quite good. Strangely, it is no longer available on Google Video.
#43
Q: “What happens if we do nothing?”
A: Nothing worth worrying about.
#47 – iGW,
If we were really to do nothing, you’d be right. So let’s all stop doing something. Let’s stop driving, heating our homes, breathing, etc. Then the biosphere can truly begin its recovery. On the other hand, if we want to live, we better do something that allows us to keep doing something for the foreseeable future.
Viva La France!: http://tinyurl.com/2untbf
#49 – Damn You! I HATE it when I have to praise something French. 😉
As usual, the “trolling clowns” have missed the point. The nobel peace prize is for the good things you’ve done not the bad. Here’s the actual list of questionable recipients.
1960 – Albert John Lutuli – President of the African National Congress – an organization that routinely used terrorist tactics.
1973 – Henry Kissinger – He made deliberate US policy decisions responsible for killing millions of innocent people and several heads of state.
1975 – Andrei Sakharov – The lead Soviet scientist in the development of their thermonuclear weapons program.
1978 – Menachem Begin – Leader of jewish terrorist cells (responsible for killing innocents)
1990 – Mikhail Gorbachov – Leader of USSR while it did lots of really bad stuff.
1993 – Nelson Mandela – Leader of the African National Congress (see entry for 1960). shared prize with Willem de Klerk
1993 – Willem de Klerk – President of the most racist government in the last half of the 20th century
1994 – Yasser Arafat – palestinian terrorist policies
Simon Peres – jewish terrorist policies
Yitzhac Rabin – jewish terrorist policies
2007 – Al Gore is looking pretty good in this company. But by far the the most dangerous and ruthless killer in the group was Kissinger not Arafat. Yasser was “small potatoes”.
#51 – peter,
I agree about Kissinger and the politics that are still doing damage today. Iraq was his idea in 1973. He suggested that the U.S. “acquire” an oil interest in the middle east as a means of world domination. That way when other countries didn’t agree with us, we could just tighten our hand on the spigot. This policy has been supported by every single presidential administration since.
However, I would point out that alone in that bunch, Arafat deliberately targeted school buses and hospitals. I think that does make him the worst of the bunch.
50, You should go there in the summer. The women’s dress code is something to behold. 😉
The tiny url link is to the documentary itself. I was hoping to find the supplemental video which added much more comments from the scientists as well as pointing out examples of corruption within the UN on this matter. I’m not sure why, but it’s no longer there… perhaps the link to the French Google Video URL will also be short-lived.
The video is worth watching regardless of your stance on the whole Global Warming fiasco.
#51
you left Mother Teresa and her Missionaries of Charity off your list,
Well when one of the claims of global warning was based on cow farts, you know this was based on bullshit.. litterally!
Plus I’ve always figured global warming is a natural cycle. Al Gore based all of his findings on documentation based on history from the past 200 years. What about all the history prior to that, I’m sure those glaciers and snow packs were even bigger back 500 years ago too.
So…how many private jets and mansions will Mr. Gore give up to combat global warming and thus set the example for everyone else?
None, that’s how many. But I’m sure he’ll have lots of tips for the rest of us to do our part while he continues to live the high life.
Suckers.
Another article here with more info and some links (Plus a better picture, KD wanted the plug):
http://cagematch.dvorak.org/index.php/topic,2590.0.html
Okay so the ice is melting faster than expected in the Artic or at least that is what the photos show. How is this a victory for the Republicans?
On the other hand the Antartic ice field hit a new record high during the the Antartic winter. Our most southern ocean is cooling off.
#58 – Dwight,
Ice melting faster is not a victory for anyone. It’s a wake-up call. Oh, and the headline was somewhat sarcastic, IMHO.
#58, Dwight,
Quite to the contrary, the Antarctic is known to be melting and the ice shield is shrinking. The record temperature is the high, not the cooling.
Pedro and iGlobalWarmer :
Bash Jimmy Carter all you want for being an ineffective president, but don’t even even compare his actions to the hate, death and destruction that our current president has caused. All I know is that if there is a Hell Jimmy Carter will not be in it just as assuredly as George W Bush will be.
According to the chart, 100% of the arctic ice will be gone in 4 years. At least well see if they got it right this time. My guess is that in 4 years there’s a 50-50 chance there’ll be little change from now. Modelling for hurricane season was 100% wrong… again.