Second time in as many days where too many banners fit a story.
So, let me get this straight. The people who are opposed to sex ed in the schools, saying it should be taught in the home, are the same people who would prosecute a parent who does just that? Once more I’m convinced portions of America and it’s legal system have simply gone insane.
Alleged explicit sex discussion gets mom probation
A Pardeeville [WI] mother accepted a plea agreement on charges she had a sexually explicit discussion with her two sons, even while she maintained she did nothing wrong and that she didn’t understand why she was charged.
Amy J. Smalley, 36, said in court Thursday that she accepted the plea agreement in part because she thought it would be in the best interest of her sons, ages 12 and 16, in that it would spare them from testifying in court.
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According to the charges filed against her, Smalley last year told her sons about several sexual experiences she had. She also allegedly described performing oral sex and also showed the two a sex toy.
Amy Smalley, Mom
Curiously the District Attorney Jane Kohlwey as well as the Assistant DA Crystal Long are both women. Crystal Long prosecuted the case. Both should be removed from office.
DA Jane Kohlwey is shown here in the middle. Get back to the bake sale, toots.
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Weirdness pervades Columbia County
the religious right strikes again!
the prosecutor sounds like a “true” conservative, he should run for the republican ticket, 5 bucks says he’d get it
So do most liberal families routinely discuss there sex toys with their 12 year olds?
#3- Why not? Most 12 year olds talk about them on the playground.
#3, TheLittleMan
Having healthy discussions lead to healthy attitudes. Urban Myths and Fairy Tales only lead to further misconceptions; the kind that young children pick up on the school ground from other equally ignorant kids. Knowledge makes people intelligent, ignorance leads them to mistakes.
Myth #1, sex is only for reproduction.
Myth #2, women can’t or don’t enjoy sex.
Myth#3, abstinence works.
Myth#4, most sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), may be transmitted only by sexual intercourse.
Myth#5, the fertility window for women may be far more than three days and may not be exactly when thought it is.
Myth#6, there are more than just the “missionary” position in order to have intercourse.
I could probably list another ten myths of the top of my head but that should be enough for now.
#2 I’m sure this same prosecutor enjoys regular visits to his local rest stop bathroom. Either that or he is a connoisseur of gay child porn. Its usually one or the other with these overzealous types.
Ooopps,
In my post #5, it should read
Myth#4, most sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), may be transmitted ONLY by sexual intercourse.
Sorry for any confusion.
[fixed – ed.]
That’s fucked up to prosecute the woman.
On the other hand, a first-person discussion with my mother about her oral sex experiences and a hands-on show ‘n’ tell with sex toys sure isn’t a conversation I would want to have had at 12 years old. That’s a little too much information.
What a dumb woman, she should understand that the goverment raises her kids so she doesn’t have to bother.
How would Jesus teach children about sex?
That’s what Christian parents must ask themselves.
From the article:
“One of her sons told authorities he did not think the discussion was appropriate.”
Here’s an abridged transcript of the interview between the cop and the son:
8 hours later…
Um, I am familiar with this area, and I have to say, I really doubt this was a “liberal” household and that it is highly likely that this woman was drunk while this was happening. Where’s the father? We’re talking about HICKS here people.
12. “We’re talking about HICKS here people.”
I’m a little confused. Are you saying the poor should not have any right to teach their children about sex?!
No, I’m not saying that. Did I say that? Let me look, nope, didn’t say that.
I’m saying that although it would be nice to think that this was an innocent sex ed discussion, carried out by an educated parent….based on my knowledge and experience of the area, I KINDA DOUBT IT.
Mr. Fusion, I know that you will have a particularly childish response to this, but some women DON”T enjoy sex. Even some men don’t. Check your facts before you blather on and on as you normally do. I’m surprised your not mad at her for forcing one of her sons to listen to her regaling about her sexual exploits when he didn’t want to.
Let the flurry of childish profanity commence>>>>>>>
#5
Another excellent post, Mr. Fusion! But I guess myth #6 should have been there’s just the “missionary” position in order to have intercourse.
There are a multitude of ways to sex educate your kids, but I would think a mother’s description of her drunken orgies, and explicit details of her giving oral sex, would be beyond the acceptable. My own mother was a hell raiser in her youth (according to everybody but her), and not no, but HELL NO, I don’t want to listen to any of her “war stories”. Not then, not now, not ever.
Is it April Fools Day?
Lets see. If this were a father informing or worse teaching or even more worse indoctrinating his daughters into oral sex, would ANY of the issues be different?
No. Absent encouraging conduct, this story is SO wrong on so many levels.
Where is the ACLU when you need it????????
#5: Are you a Catholic? Because I went to Catholic schools and was actually taught Myths #1, 3, 4, and 5. We didn’t believe it, but we were taught the Catholic party line anyways.
Ohh, the post has been updated….
Seriously, this is a weak post.. Ya the politicians around this part of the country are FULL of religious wackos that should “go back to their bake sales” … but this is the wrong story to make that argument with.
from looking at the pic of the DA my guess is that she is just jealous because a 12yr old now knows more about sex than she does.
I live in the great state and the weirdness just keeps on coming. Yes its a little weird what mom said and did.YES its a lot weird she was persecuted and prosecuted for it. There is something else going on here we don’t know about. The D.A. is a man who handed this turd to a woman. Blame the D.A not the gal who wanted to keep her 50,000 dollar a year job.
#12 you are making a huge assumption about the state of this individual when she gave this talk. It says nowhere in the article that she was drunk. It does state that one of her sons thought the conversation was inappropriate. My question is was that what the son said or did he say it was “gross” and the psychologist interpreted that to mean inappropriate? All children think it is gross when parents talk about sex even in the most clinical terms, more so when parents are realistic about sex, placing it in context.
Further more I think (and have observed) that children respond better to straight forward honesty about sex then the pap most parents spout about, “when a man and a woman love each other very much…etc… When you lie or are evasive, your children notice! You as a parent are not a clever a lier as you think you are. If you take that approach there is a good chance that your child will do something that you don’t like that is be dangerous. if on the other hand you are honest with children and discuss dangers, safety and strategy with them they will be better informed and better able to make good decisions about sex. I would say that this is what the woman was trying to do probably from the “learn from my mistakes” angle.
>>you are making a huge assumption about the state of this
>>individual when she gave this talk. It says nowhere in the
>>article that she was drunk.
I don’t think it’s an unreasonable assumption, though. Look at the allegations:
“She also allegedly described performing oral sex and also showed the two a sex toy”
Come on. It’s one thing to be “honest with children and discuss dangers, safety and strategy with them”, but a blow-by-blow (heh) description of how she sucked some guy off? Perhaps she demonstrated on the dildo she pulled out for show ‘n’ tell??
There’s something a little too “Deliverance” about this whole story.
In this case I think the court did the right thing. This is a very sad, and probably too common situation.
She is 36 and looks like an unhealthy 56 and she doesn’t care about her appearance, with dirty, uncombed hair. add the sunken baggy eyes and I can safely assume that the mother is an alcoholic and that she was probably drunk at the time.
The question for me is, at what point is it safe to say when a child is being abused or in an abusing situation or not? From the comments I’ve read here, not many of you would subject any child of 12 or under, especially your own, to that crass and normally embarrassing discussion. You KNOW it’s wrong in your gut, but you defend it. Why?
We all agree that a “sexually explicit discussion” in and of itself is reasonable to have with your child in order to encourage safe and healthy sex, but what is it about this particular situation that warns our instinctive protection of children that her discussion was unhealthy for her children?
Do we just ignore it? Or do we try and help as a society to better the situation. Her punishment is a year of probation in addition to counseling. I personally think that her sons are lucky that someone intervened and that their mother will get counseling on how to raise children responsibly. She might even get help with her life situation.
How’d the law even get involved here? It’s not clear from the article, but I wonder if the kids immediately called the cops after hearing Mom’s educational piece.
Sounds like the kids are already pretty messed up if calling the cops their mom sounded like a good idea. Perhaps these kids are already a lost cause. Punishing Mom won’t help matters any.
Somewhere along the line here I think we have an overzealous social worker/counselor. Didn’t anyone else notice that this all began because the mother took her kids in for counseling? If she were irresponsible or a drunk as some have suggested I doubt she would have done that. Once something gets reported to “the authorites” the steamroller just chugs along with no thought to what’s best, just for what the rules are.
#27 SteveO
You can’t take the descriptions of court cases given here at face value. Most of the time, the facts end up being a more complex picture than the knee-jerk details they provide here. Best to just ignore it anyhtime there’s a court case mentioned.
Well she should be prosecuted for waiting until her child was 16. The proper course of action was described by our former Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders that you should start in kindergarten.
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