The gov and Mrs. gov

I think it’s safe to say that Governor Brian Schweitzer of Montana doesn’t like Real ID, a backdoor way for the government to impose and create a national ID card (with RFID chip which an unauthorized, knowledgeable techie can read) by requiring extensive documentation before you can get a drivers license. Here’s an interesting site devoted to the anti-side of the issue. And here’s what security expert Bruce Schneier thinks of the idea.

LISTEN to the governor explain why he thinks the Feds can shove their Real ID where… Well, you know where. I like this guy’s style!

Homeland Security, on the other hand, considers Real ID to be “pro-consumer.”

  1. Tech_1 says:

    Hey< we all know this is reversed engineered.
    That being said, Time to get 55 gallon drums and fill them with rice and beans.

  2. Dallas says:

    LOL at Bush’s card above. Very clever!

    I’m also skeptical of the federal government issuing my “ID card”. At this point, I still rather have the Department of Motor Vehicles control the distribution of our nations security identification.

    At least the DMV is consciously incompetent whereas the Dept of Homeland Security is unconsciously incompetent.

  3. MrBloedumpSpladderschitt says:

    One of those rare instances where I’ll agree with libs. Real ID is a horrible idea. The dangers far, far outweigh the benefits. This idea is on a par with crap like Kyoto.

  4. Great article, great find.

    I love how this Senator stands up against the elites in place.

    We need more people like him, starting to lead the population to more freedom and less control.

    Richard Lalancette
    Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

  5. ArianeB says:

    #3 this is not a lib/con issue, there is support and opposition on both sides of the aisle.

    Personally I believe Real ID is unconstitutional on numerous grounds. States have the right to issue legally binding documents that must be accepted in all states and by the federal government. Considering how big a mess the “no fly list” has become, it is only a matter of time when “no fly” becomes “no movement”.

  6. Pharaoh90 says:

    RFID so you don’t have to be stopped and asked, “show me your papers please”.

  7. floyd says:

    It sounds to me like “realID” isn’t really all that secure, so there’s no good reason to mandate these cards.

    The next question is: who stands to make a lot of money off these cards, and how much did they pay Dubya to force these cards on the states?

  8. Stu says:

    I tried to listen to the Gov and all could get were “not available” error messages. Looks like SOMEONE was coerced into removing it.

    Enough of this nazi/stalinist/gestapo government.

    DO NOT let any more of YOUR FREEDOM be taken away (for your own good of course).


  9. Uncle Dave says:

    #9: I just tried it again and it worked just fine. Using FireFox on XP.

  10. Joe says:

    At #3
    “The dangers far, far outweigh the benefits. This idea is on a par with crap like Kyoto.”
    Crap like Kyoto?
    Absolute moron.

  11. AlphaTeam says:

    Well if I am issued one, I’ll put it in the microwave first, then..

  12. McCullough says:

    Hooray for the Governor.

  13. Thomas says:

    I guess I do not really understand the arguments against Real ID other than the RFID aspect. Real ID is not a national ID card. We already have that; it is called a passport. Real ID is a set of standards for existing ID cards. It requires that the States create driver’s licenses that cannot be duped by a two year old with a crayon. It is already the case that most States share their DMV database and thus are sharing their identification information with each other and Federal authorities.

  14. Jim says:

    I think Montana should take the same stance as Vermont and that would make two states out to remove the dictator’s from the White House.

  15. charlie says:

    Real ID is a way for the Federal Government to build a huge database of facial images. All but a few states DMV operations have already changed over to the new “secure DL”. It’s all going into the Federal Gov. Do whatever you can as long as you can not to be included in this insanity.

  16. Thomas says:

    The Federal government already has a huge database of facial images as they have access to every DMV system in the country and have had said access for many years.

  17. MikeR says:

    What’s amusing is the Gov. is from the Flathead Valley (Whitefish, to be exact) where Pres. Bush is really popular. That said, they are not fond of the Feds messing in their affairs. I really enjoy my visits there but they can be hard to figure out at times

  18. hhopper says:

    Of course the next step is to implant RFIDs in each of us.

  19. ECA says:

    You are hitting all over this, but still missing..

    How about this.
    We have alot of international people in this country. What stops them from Flying??
    They WONT/DONT have a USA ID..Only a Visa/passport, from SOME other country. WHATS stopping them from useing OUR airline? NOTHING. They get to use it also.

    Then we get international Fly OVERS.. Those that come from Europe going to The pacific, change planes, Maybe taking a DAY to wonder a USA city and stretch their legs. Whats stopping THEM…NOTHING.

    So what will this ID DO??
    I will keep Illegal Mexicans, from getting on an airplane. They dont CARE, they got a TRUCK.

    so, HOW is it going to stop Terrorism??
    A person in Afghanistan, Walks 2 countries over. Sits around and has paperwork to show he is IN THAT country, and is becoming a Citizen. Gets a Visa of passport, MOVES to another country, GETS his citizenship, passport, and Jump a palne to Canada/Mexico/USA, Applies for a green card IN THE USA, ALREADY has a job lined up with an UNCLE/AUNT/COUSIN.. Or just enters the USA from canada or mexico, Or runs the Border.

    NOW, the fun part…WHERE IS HE??
    He MAy have a green card(which could help) but if he ran the border, or CROSSED LEGALLY, he can disappear. UNLESs you TAGGED HIM with a GPS on his ankle, and HE CANT remove it.. HE can go anywhere he wants, and EVEN get a JOB.

    In a couple years, he is your neighbor, Working hard at some JOB, that NO ONE LOOKED up his work history(as they USED TO DO), mixing chemicals in some LAB. Or taking courses in Flying. And its AS IF he LIVED HERE all his life. Fake ID is easy. Even if they implement REAL ID, it just makes it a Puzzle, for Hackers and the illegals.

    I dont know if this is true any more, but…
    20-30 years ago MOST STATES, did NOT correlate Births and deaths. They DIDNT KEEP a record of WHO died, AFTER they were born. And match up the record with other departments.
    Lets say that “Sunny JIM” (SJ) Died before the age of 5. Anyone could pickup that NAME, and DATE of birth. GO to THAT states record department, and ASK for a birth certificate and GET HIS ID, SS#, and after living in TOWN with the name for 2 months, SHOW BILLS with that name, to get a drivers lic. and ANYTHING ELSE. BECAUSE the Motor Vehicle dept, The Birth records, and ALL the records in the state, DIDNT SHOW…the CHILD DIED. THATS in another dept.

  20. Balbas says:

    If Obama wins election, might he Executive Order all this nonsense off the books?

  21. Bob says:

    The funny thing is tht ith the exception of the RFID this exists already. When on patrol we can already search out ID data with in car computers from almost any state. If you are paranoid about the national ID program why aren’t you paranoid about this system that already exists?

  22. Thomas says:

    It appears that you are making two different arguments with respect to the Real ID Act. The first relates to situations in which a person is required to show identification such as boarding an airplane. The second relates to the quality of the identification you present when requested. Only the later item really relates to the Real ID Act. The former item is a discussion that can be made regardless of the quality of identification cards or any standards with respect to that quality.

    Should you be required to show identification to board a plane? Certainly, history would suggest that the requirement is not unusual. For example, it has always been the case that passengers were required to show identification to fly internationally. In Europe, where international travel is common, showing identification to board aircraft has been common place since the inception of air travel.

    Your last paragraph actually makes an argument for the Real ID act. The problem is that there are situations where a person is required to prove they are who they say they are. Until now, some States such as CA and NY took the problem seriously and made efforts to prevent duplication of identification cards and driver’s licenses. Some States did not. The effect is that people would dupe licenses from these inept States and use them to subvert identification requirements (e.g. say the age for buying alcohol..or so I hear ;->) in States where the identification cards were harder to duplicate.

  23. Brett says:

    1984 all over again.

    And i can’t believe there are still people saying stuff like “oh damn you conspiracy nuts tinfoil hat wearing loons…”

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  25. OmarTheAlien says:

    I think it’s anal retentive to the max to even want to track every single person on the planet. Some of us kinda sorta need to stay under the radar, and with the spin freaks in control any little thing on a record can be demonized and used to persecute an individual. Think glory hungry DA’s, reporters, politicians, etc.

  26. ECA says:


    The Gov, wants ALL the states to STANDARDIZE what IS ID. but it wont happen.
    States with international Tourism and Flights MIGHT get it, but NOT IDAHO, IOWA, and many others.

    the only way i can see it happening…AND it probably WILL, and HAS already started to BE DONE.
    Is to link you to a CARD, that ALSO is a credit debit card. You may be able to get AWAY from the gov and HIDE, but, credit corps will FIND you…

  27. TThor says:

    Gee…. for once, a smart politician – on this issue at least. he makes a lot of sense. What is it that the Homeland Security people don’t understand? the keep stepping into one mess after anther….

  28. BubbaRay says:

    What no one seems to realize is that almost all of the 9/11 terrorists would have qualified for this ID. Wow. That’s a big deterrent to terrorism. NOT!!

  29. MikeN says:

    This Real ID act is primarily passed not to deal with terrorism, but to deal with illegal immigration. I thought you guys were opposed to that. Having to show more documents makes it harder for illegals to sign up for a driver’s license. It also makes it harder for everyone else to sign up. It’s the illegal immigration issue that put it over the top. Chairman Sensenbrenner had to pull Real ID when he wanted it included with the intelligence bill, but got an agreement for a standalone vote.

  30. Thomas says:

    The Gov, wants ALL the states to STANDARDIZE what IS ID. but it wont happen.
    States with international Tourism and Flights MIGHT get it, but NOT IDAHO, IOWA, and many others.

    Indeed that is the point. If the Iowa government puts out licenses which are easy to dupe, then it makes it easy to subvert any State’s ID system since every State must recognize and accept Iowa’s IDs.


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