Huh. Your Uncle Dave was blissfully away on vacation and somehow missed this momentous event. Did any of you watch it? Apparently, Herman “Godfather Pizza” Cain won it.

Waterboarding is torture. But it is not the only cruel and unusual punishment.

Consider Thursday night’s “presidential” debate between Republican also-rans Tim Pawlenty, Rick Santorum, Herman Cain, Gary Johnson and Ron Paul — a former governor, a former senator, a former CEO, another former governor and a former Libertarian Party nominee for the nation’s top job.

The first face-off between the Grand Old Party’s third-stringers was so bereft of consequence that House Speaker John Boehner, spotted at a Washington steakhouse at the same time the Fox News-hosted debate was going on, allowed as how he would be satisfied to “read about it tomorrow.”

On a night when everyone who might actually end up as the party’s challenger to President Obama was otherwise engaged, the Republican remainders distinguished themselves with lines like Godfather’s Pizza king Cain’s response to a question about Afghanistan policy: “At this point, I don’t know all the facts.”

  1. LotsaLuck says:

    I am shocked SHOCKED that none of the usual lefties here can find any Repub. to like.

    Oh, and lest we forget, at this point in his presidency George H.W. Bush was fresh off his win in the first Iraq war and had about a 90% favorable rating. No serious Dem. wanted to face him in the next election, so we got the Dem. version of ‘garden gnomes’.

    Of course, the gnome from Arkansas (and his wife) won.

    Just sayin’….

  2. The_Tick says:

    @ #27, Yes,,,, lol Sockpuppet theater. It’s just one big troll-fest. Even JCD isn’t above trolling,,,haha Voted for palin,,,,, nyuk nyuk

  3. Mr. Show says:

    Herman Cain owns the slickster Bill Clinton:

    Go Herman Go!

  4. Yowsa says:

    #34, #35, #37.

    Hmmm – I remember the biggest economic expansion in US history under Old Bill. I think it was 40 months under 5% unemployment?

    Now under the duhbya I remember him starting with Clinton’s 4.1% unemployment rate – (Dec 2000) and by July 2001 it was around 5% working its way to almost 9% by summer 2008 under the duh. Oh yeah I think I remember the biggest expansion of gov in history of the US under the duh too.

    We all know tea bagger’s memories are a bit flawed. I fondly remember the tea bagger cry during the health care debates.

    “get yer damn governmunt hands off my medicare!!!” I can find the vid for you on youtube, its a hoot!

    LOL –

    Now taxed – don’t let facts get in the way of a self satisfying stupid!

  5. Mextli says:

    Do you remember this? After Reagan was elected real economic growth went from 1.6% to 3.5% per year. The “misery index” (unemployment + inflation) declined from 20.8% during the last year of Carter’s presidency to 9.6% during the last year of Reagan’s presidency. Tax rates were slashed, while government revenues soared. And contrary to the claim that Reagan’s policies unfairly benefited the rich, the portion of total income taxes paid by the top 1% of taxpayers rose from 18% in 1981 to 28% in 1988.


  6. MikeN says:

    I still remember the previous Dem debates, where there was no gravitas to be found, just people like Mike Gravel, Dennis Kucinich- last seen wanting to impeach the president, Carol Moseley Braun, Al Sharpton, and the huckster John Edwards.
    No wonder Howard Dean sprinted to the lead. Kind sounds like Herman Cain.

  7. Yowsa says:

    # 39

    Yes I do, but I believe the discussion was about fond memories of the duh.

    I remember the a 50% top marginal rate.

    I also remember lazy manufacturing companies and planned obsolescence and getting waxed by the japs in making stuff.

    On the yang side I remember corrupt greedy unions and lazy workers then too.

    Carter I try to forget.

  8. Animby says:

    #29 Roberto – I missed no point. I made no point. I merely opined that sometimes, compared to what I do, a night manager’s job would almost be like a vacation. And free pizza, too!

  9. Rabble Rouser says:

    Don’t worry about Cain’s skin color… He’s Sicilian.

    Seriously, shouldn’t the guy who runs a pizza chain at least look Italian?

  10. Alphie's confused donkey says:


    Two points,

    Clinton was too nice to the asshole. Clinton used real math and wiped the floor with the asshole.

    Secondly, the right wing nuts still have this annoying habit of making up their own facts. The guy is just too stupid to know when he was corrected.

  11. Animby says:

    # 45 Alphie’s confused donkey, “right wing nuts still have this annoying habit of making up their own facts.”

    One point: So do left wingers, libertarians and every other politician extant. (I started to say lying politician but I hate redundancies.)

  12. foobar says:

    On paper Cain looks like a good candidate and the radio experience gives him good communication experience. If Trump runs he’ll screw Cain over.

  13. jescott418 says:

    Could it be, that nobody with any other talents or skills wants to be President anymore? I look at some of these people and wonder if their Ego’s make them run.

  14. whenyagonnawiseup? says:

    “I’m for this guy.”
    “I’m for that guy.”
    Dance, monkey, dance.

  15. tcc3 says:

    #49 TDud

    If only there were a way to decouple health insurance from employment as an expected benefit, taking the burden off of business so it can compete on the international market…

  16. bobbo, the Republicans are out to Destroy the Middle Class says:

    #52–tcc3==how right you are, and how incredibly stupid and regressive Alfie and the Pukes are: keeping business hostage to the Unions by preventing Universal Healthcare. Amazing how dogma controls the subject without the possibility of it preventing the very things desired by its imposition.

    Imagine the cost of a car reduced by 3-5000 bucks because healthcare was otherwise funded? How many more units could be sold?

    Why BIG BUSINESS has not been bribing Congress for Universal/single payer/government provided healthcare is simply beyond me. What sane business person would not want a significant tax burden transfered to the government? Ha. ha. Yes==the consumer pays the shifted cost/tax and that is a GOOD THING when the consumer is a foreigner.

    Stupid Republican can’t tell shit from shinola.

  17. tcc3 says:

    #51 whenyagonnawiseup?

    Prepare to see Tdud change dance partners again Wednesday:

    Tdud’s desperate flipflopping just shows the weakness of the Republican nominee field.

  18. Animby says:

    tccc3 – Gingrich is as bad (worse?) than Trump and his running will help divide the party. It’s almost like the Repubs are TRYING to give O’Bama a second term…

    BTW – Don’t expect Alfie to flip until Rush tells him which one to support. I would say something like a mind is a terrible thing to waste but Alfie is more like a recorder – Limbaugh goes in the ears and out Alfie’s fingers here. No mind to interfere.

    It’s gonna be a loooong time til November ’12. I’m already tired.

  19. tcc3 says:

    #55 I couldn’t blame them – still too many chickens roosting. Either things will get better or they wont. If they don’t, a Republican president might be blamed. They can retain their scrappy underdog image and have an easy win in 2016 with no incumbent.

    Regardless, the current crop of misfits is going to have it tough.

  20. MikeN says:

    #52, I don’t think it would work that way at all. Businesses are not required to provide health insurance. They do it because of the tax benefits; offering health care is worth a little more to the worker because it is untaxed. However, businesses are greedy, so presumably whatever they are offering is because it is the minimum they must pay to get the workers. So if government offers free health care, businesses no longer pay for health care, but they still have to pay the same amount to the workers. So now maybe they are paying in other benefits, or perhaps cash which is taxed, making net costs go up.

  21. bobbo, the Republicans are out to Destroy the Middle Class says:

    Mickey–it works the way it is set up to work. When bribing congress creeps to get the legislation you want, you get what you paid for.

  22. tcc3 says:

    #57 MikeN

    When you describe it like that, it sounds an awful lot like a government subsidy to offset competitive compensation.

    So tax payers are still paying for a healthcare system that fails to serve them, businesses are getting a free ride, and that free ride/burden is hurting their ability to compete in the global marketplace. Its also (according to Tdud) stifling the growth of small business.

  23. tcc3 says:

    #59 MikeN

    I apologize, I misread your statement. You mean that health coverage is worth more than extra compensation because the government doesnt tax the worker for it.

    My point still stands – the worker is getting the shaft while paying for a healthcare system that doesn’t serve him. It hurts companies to carry this burden compared to their international competition. TDud claims it hurts small business disproportionately.

    Why does anyone but the insurance industry defend this broken system?

  24. foobar says:

    I wonder how long Alfie’s been on welfare during his life?

  25. MikeN says:

    tcc3, I was responding to Bobbo’s claim that government health care would lower business’s costs. I don’t think it would, and it might even raise them, as government provision of health care would destroy the value of the compensation that businesses currently provide.

    Bobbo, you are right that some big businesses do support government health care for the reason you state. Basically the ones that are stuck with a union contract whose cost rises they did not expect.

  26. Benjamin says:

    I am probably going to vote for Herman Cain. We’ll see who the racists really are if he becomes President.

  27. foobar says:

    Benjamin, you feel OK with his stance against hiring Muslims?

  28. foobar says:

    BTW, on the whole racism thing. When Republicans pull that out it sounds like a bunch of old white guys saying “Hey look us! We have a Negro too!”

    I would just avoid the subject if I were you. It ain’t your strong suit.

  29. tcc3 says:

    #63 There are some loong odds there. I don’t think he could win enough support for the nomination. And unless he shifts back to center on several issues(which is possible – usually happens), he wont have any independent support for the election either.

    Too early to tell, but it doesn’t seem likely.


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